Speaking of Sondes... I am looking for something I can put on the end of my conduit rodder. Its a 5/16th Condux with 3/8 UNC male threads. Assuming I source a sonde / beacon first and then find an adapter?
On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:34 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: > Most boring uses a sonde transmitter. > > *From:* Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2022 1:44 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Cc:* Chuck McCown > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units > > The ViperMag is an underground cable locator. I used it for our bore > attachment on the SPX25. Metal is metal is metal. > > On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 3:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> > wrote: > >> Drilling locators are a total different beast than underground cable >> locators. >> >> *From:* Josh Luthman >> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2022 12:31 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >> >> Carl, >> >> Our favorite locator is the ViperMag. I think it was ~3000 retail. As >> to its accuracy, based on my one time usage last week I spotted the drill >> sticks 100% and got the distance within inches. My locator tech says it's >> 100x better than the old one when there's noise (nearby other utilities). >> >> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 6:21 PM Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> >> wrote: >> >>> How about this one? Not sure what the new price would be. >>> >>> >>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/225308461851?hash=item34756e4b1b:g:1Q4AAOSwsQpityvJ&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoGDhdpMkHwHcr%2BvCGwtdhgoKuhWkl29e3dky%2FBRCjSbcavCSO%2FxS%2FOj3ur8IMQrLU9nTSS5jxh1tGbzExnZkLl0ByukyENiu4m%2BjhsDyyBTYdqpHctfm3wplh6OljUR5p2r52f0ADK56LGN4R3c3XaKY8Jiv9Z0pQI4qClIVyOcGYD3Us3yHVvj3gtrWqqaeKNhiHdquQ9vLEuuTiiRWQvY%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-TFtduqYQ >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:18 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/295441271797?hash=item44c9ac0bf5:g:FygAAOSwHUFjq0Fi&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA8EoM%2BACrrWy8doADxOvuYO6McooUnEQT32vIgmMCHxSNW7AFx45Ldlayxo1UF19OgeMhNeiXhx6aeua%2FVkOuaMh276DpXIFBRYOW6ZIHNDHI28906bMAomYZI8WsZJ%2Bze0pJtR1BsN7p7rVxkOUgvBwHQnbPRMW2etIqpj%2FAebmujtKv6pJsoyFexvukHQPKXGZDJB0OxJBapGnHc89pM7aeZtYBRxXE87946w1wr1Dl%2BoKiZI4mbQaCcAV%2FnOr8eRwqRkoApcPdjSO%2B%2FwYN%2FIqi%2BZnoXwN6jDfU420OM07xHxOsQBd0U4rkjQanZcsb0Q%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMovD-3aph >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2022 4:14 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>>> >>>> Thanks Chuck, >>>> >>>> That helps, I think. I'm at the point where I just need to make a >>>> decision but 4K isn't enough to make the decision I want to make. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 5:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Most if not all of them locate the signal based on current flowing on >>>>> a conductor. So you put a signal on a trace wire or cable shield. Ground >>>>> the far end. The transmitter is connected to the cable and a ground rod. >>>>> That flow of signal sets up the magnetic field and that is what the >>>>> locator >>>>> works off of. If you have trace current then all of them will do a good >>>>> job. The type of soil doesn’t make much difference. The super cheap ones >>>>> will find it as easy and the super expensive units. Finding a reliable >>>>> depth is more difficult. The only brand I have every used where I could >>>>> trust the depth was a Metrotel. But even the cheapest unit can find depth >>>>> by locating a null, orienting the pick up coil at 45 degrees and then >>>>> finding the null off to the side of the of the cable. Distance from the >>>>> center null to the side null is the depth. >>>>> >>>>> The higher the power the farther you can locate. But that just means >>>>> you don’t have to move the transmitter so much. In my experience I am >>>>> generally within a quarter mile of the transmitter or less and all of them >>>>> will do that distance. >>>>> >>>>> Some of them will also passively locate 60 cycle power. Some of them >>>>> locate based on radio signals picked up by wires and pipes and >>>>> re-radiated. I have had limited success with that on high pressure gas. >>>>> >>>>> Many of them have an RF mode where you connect to some object to track >>>>> but the far end is not grounded. So you just have a capacitive coupling >>>>> between the thing you want to locate and the earth. Not much current >>>>> flows >>>>> so you do not get much distance. For example a fish tape down a plastic >>>>> duct is located this way. But you will only get dozens or perhaps >>>>> hundreds >>>>> of feed if you are lucky. >>>>> >>>>> Multiple frequencies have their uses. Older units were down in the >>>>> audible range like 800 Hz. You can go a very long way with those >>>>> frequecies. But they also bleed off to other cables and pipes. Higher >>>>> frequencies are better to get finer resolution but they do not transmit as >>>>> far. 82 or 84KHz is a popular frequency. >>>>> >>>>> Some brands put a coded signal out so only their receiver can pick up >>>>> the signal. Rycom is one of those. >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:30 PM >>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Underground Locating units >>>>> >>>>> Thoughts on a used R7200 off of ebay vs something like a new Ridgid >>>>> SR-24? Trying to do this with a 4K budget. Is a locator either good or >>>>> bad >>>>> or is there a middle ground where they don't work well. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 3:30 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> there is also the vermeer lin of locators. massive option set, LM42 >>>>>> is pretty efficient and can find most things in the ISP domain. SPX25 is >>>>>> good for locating shallower thing. stuff like the 10x15 or 20x22 utility >>>>>> locator are surprisingly accurate for it having to be pretty pinpoint. >>>>>> But >>>>>> if you really want to be certain about finding the utilities on a smaller >>>>>> ISP budget, youd want to look at Bobcat brand locators, those will find >>>>>> everything. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 3:17 PM Carl Peterson < >>>>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Any consensus on locators? We need to buy a new one too. The only >>>>>>> one I really know is the T5. We don't do a ton of locates so it doesn't >>>>>>> need to be too high end. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 2:34 PM Jason McKemie < >>>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm looking at getting one of these: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.ridgid.com/us/en/sr-24-line-locator-with-bluetooth-and-gps >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 8:59 AM Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm looking to pickup a 2nd locating unit. Without visiting a >>>>>>>>> bunch of >>>>>>>>> websites and wading through tech docs, does anyone have >>>>>>>>> recommendations? USIC around here uses a blue unit, but they're >>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>> so covered with spray paint I can't see the name/model. We have >>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>> Amprobe AT-3500 today. Looks like Amprobe has a newer model out, >>>>>>>>> that's >>>>>>>>> cheaper than the AT-3500 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mainly need to locate either a tracer wire (alligator clips) or >>>>>>>>> traceable fiber (Clamp) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Carl Peterson >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *PORT NETWORKS* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (410) 637-3707 >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Carl Peterson >>>>> >>>>> *PORT NETWORKS* >>>>> >>>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>>>> >>>>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>>>> >>>>> (410) 637-3707 >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Carl Peterson >>>> >>>> *PORT NETWORKS* >>>> >>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>>> >>>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>>> >>>> (410) 637-3707 >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Carl Peterson >>> >>> *PORT NETWORKS* >>> >>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>> >>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>> >>> (410) 637-3707 >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> ------------------------------ >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- Carl Peterson *PORT NETWORKS* 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707
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