I wouldn't say it is on top, I'd say it is in parallel.  Same information
in two formats on two filings. (Though the 477 has voip because the FCC has
a huge hard on for phone lines).

On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 7:14 AM Dennis Burgess <dmburg...@linktechs.net>
wrote:

> It is on top of the current Form 477 requirements currently.
>
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> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of * Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2022 3:39 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BDC
>
>
>
> I haven't been reading up on this, is this the new form 477 replacement
> with increased requirements?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 2:51 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
> wrote:
>
> “Internet access”.  If I am strictly a layer 2 pipe providing transport -
> only then I am not a provider of internet.  If someone coincidentally
> connects it to layer 3 things... well then that is outside of my control.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2022 1:41 PM
>
> *To:* Chuck McCown
>
> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BDC
>
>
>
> >Facilities-based providers of fixed and mobile broadband internet access
> who have one or more end user connections in service on June 30, 2022
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 3:35 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:
>
> But what types of business does it apply to?  I am sure that I can find a
> loophole.  Like I deliver virtual ice cream via ethernet so it should not
> apply to me.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2022 12:47 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BDC
>
>
>
> Ethernet/GPON doesn't matter.  It's copper versus optical delivery. :)
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 11:21 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
> wrote:
>
> I wonder if I can get away with being an ethernet service provider with
> free access to the internet thrown in...
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 21, 2022 8:33 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BDC
>
>
>
> WISPA is absolutely fighting this.  We absolutely did not want this.
> There's way more opposition than WISPA has resources, but we still did get
> some wins.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 11:12 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I'm sure wispa is out there looking out for us
>
> That is sarcasm
>
> Wispa isnt what itwas when it lived in this neighborhood
>
> I feel we all need to watch brokeback mountain to prepare what's coming
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 6:16 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
>
> Perhaps.  I am sure there will be things filed about this.
>
>
>
> *From:* Brian Webster
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 20, 2022 4:46 PM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Cc:* 'Chuck McCown'
>
> *Subject:* RE: [AFMUG] BDC
>
>
>
> Keep in mind that is a temp fix and only good for the next 18 months. Then
> the full PE cert is required.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 20, 2022 5:10 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] BDC
>
>
>
> Starting to look into what I have to do.
>
> Just read the certification requirements.  This is the language of the
> alternate, non PE, non degreed engineer certifier:
>
> (ii) specialized training relevant to broadband network engineering and
> design, deployment, and/or performance, and at least ten years of relevant
> experience in broadband network engineering, design, and/or performance.
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>
>
> I am guessing everyone on this list fits this set of qualifications.
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