Adios On Wed, May 25, 2022, 5:17 PM Craig House <cr...@totalhighspeed.net> wrote:
> I still wish those business deductible ski trips were part of my annual > schedule. Wispapaloza and WISP America just never did it for me. I’d > attend even though I’m no longer a wisp owner if they were still an option. > With th original goals and format. The good old days !! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 25, 2022, at 18:05, Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: > > > Funny, you two never did make it to Animal Farm. See, the rest of use > that actually attended Animal Farm are livelong buddies... > > *From:* Steve Jones > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 4:40 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT > > Jaime and I will meet one day, may tussle for a bit, but then there will > be a meal. It will be a meal that is spoken of in history books, there will > be songs sung of it, children will be told stories of it at bedtime, oscar > winning movies will top the charts of it, the table at which it was eaten > will become a treasure nations go to war to hold in their possession, the > cutlery will be displayed in culinary institutions world wide. It is coming > my friends, the day of the meal as it will be celebrated. The global > festivus of the meal will be months long. > > On Wed, May 25, 2022, 5:30 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: > >> Sorry, I started it. >> >> Sometimes it is amusing to watch the Jaime and Steve show. Ken and Lewis >> used to join in too but they couldn’t take it anymore. But we do have the >> OT in the subject line so you can filter this kind of crap out. >> >> But yeah, I think we have all vented now, and trolled the guys that need >> trolling. Steve and Jaime got to make their hyperbolic comments. >> >> So it is now dead until Lent is over. Next year’s lent. >> >> BTW everyone, I ordered a Tesla. My 4th Leaf lease is coming due in July >> so I took the leap. Did a test drive today and really loved it. I loved >> the last 10 years of Leafs too but man this is a quantum leap of >> enjoyment. >> >> *From:* MVTVWISPA >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 2:57 PM >> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political >> >> >> I have always appreciated being on this list and learning technical >> skills from fellow ISP owners and IT Technicians. >> >> I really hope this conversation can get back to technical questions about >> our industry. >> >> >> >> I am a very neutral person and respect everyone’s opinions but I knew >> from the very first thread that this rabbit hole was going to be deep!!! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *dmmoff...@gmail.com >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 3:38 PM >> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political >> >> >> >> I think it’s worth re-iterating the point that we don’t actually have >> more mass shootings than other countries. ** >> >> >> >> https://www.gvpedia.org/gun-myths/europe-and-us/ >> >> “The average incident rate per capita for the 28 EU countries is 0.0602 >> with a 95% confidence Interval of .0257 to .09477. The US rate of 0.078 is >> higher than the EU rate, but the difference is not statistically different. >> The average fatality rate for the 28 EU countries is 0.114, with a 95% >> confidence Interval of -.0244 to .253. The US rate of 0.089 is lower than >> the EU rate, but again the difference is not statistically significantly. >> ” >> >> >> >> This is the result you get when you try to compare apples to apples. If >> we’re comparing different countries and not measuring them with the same >> definition of “mass shooting” and not adjusting for population differences >> then we can’t paint the US as some kind of Mad Max hellscape. It’s not. >> You all live here and you know this. There are lots of people in the >> world. Most of them are fine, and a handful are lunatics. Law enforcement >> can’t easily tell who’s a lunatic until they perform some act of lunacy. >> We have background checks, but background checks don’t detect crazy until >> the crazy has already happened. That’s not a problem that will be solved >> by legislation. It might not be solvable at all. If there is a solution >> it will be something that helps people cope with their personal >> problems…..and I don’t know what that solution looks like, but I haven’t >> seen anything proposed that would actually do it. >> >> >> >> I would support an assault weapons ban if it was based on something >> concrete like Joules of muzzle energy or effective rate of fire (except >> effective rate of fire would need a statutory definition because there’s >> more than one way to measure that). In NY we banned “assault” weapons >> defined as having a certain convenience and ergonomic features. The Brady >> Bill did the same thing nationally when it was in effect. It’s 100% >> pointless. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> **China claims lower rates of violence of all types. They’re out of >> proportion to Europe and USA both. Either China is incredibly safe or >> their numbers are wrong. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 3:32 PM >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political >> >> >> >> Mass shootings get all the attention, but as bad as they are, they are >> not the major cause of gun-related deaths. >> >> According to this https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081 >> article by the BBC (and I would say they don't have a dog in this fight, >> except maybe to gloat about how much safer it is in the UK), the majority >> of gun-related deaths (54%) are from suicide (and that is illegal most >> places I know). Most of the rest (42%) are some kind of homicide. The >> number killed in mass shootings is a tiny , but glaring, minority. >> >> The number of guns per capita is pretty eye-opening at 1.2 guns per >> person. Second place (in the world) is Yemen with .5 guns per person. >> Interestingly, first world countries Canada, Finland, and Iceland have >> about .3 per person. Most European countries don't even make the list. >> >> I would say that we have a culture problem, but I'll be damned to say how >> to fix it. >> >> >> >> bp >> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >> On 5/25/2022 11:05 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: >> >> Some sources call mass shootings: >> >> >> >> *Mass shootings are defined as events in which four or more people are >> killed with firearms in a public place, with the murders not being >> attributed to any other underlying criminal activity.* >> >> >> >> By that count there have only been 8 so far this year. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Craig House >> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 12:02 PM >> >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political >> >> >> >> That’s funny I was just about to post the exact same statistics. You >> would expect any statistics in the United States to be broken down equal to >> the population statistics or very close. Where there are anomalies from >> those statistics is probably the best place to look for answers. So maybe >> the question that needs to be asked is why are Latinos less likely to >> participate in mass shootings. I’m not being facetious. Is it stronger >> family ties, do they have a better appreciation for what they have,? Maybe >> somewhere buried in those questions are the answers that we’re all looking >> for >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> On May 25, 2022, at 12:59, Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> 57.8% of the US is white. So proportionally mass shooters are even more >> likely to be white than the fraction of the population would suggest. >> >> But the same goes for blacks. 21% of the mass shooters/ 13% of the >> population >> >> >> >> For Latinos, it is reversed. 18.7% of the population but only 10% of the >> mass shooters. >> >> >> >> The solution is more Latinos. >> >> >> >> *From:* Chuck McCown via AF >> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 11:39 AM >> >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> >> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political >> >> >> >> 68% white Steve, 68% >> >> >> >> >> https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/ >> >> >> >> *From:* Steve Jones >> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 11:30 AM >> >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political >> >> >> >> ther is not such a thing as an assault weapon, so thats easy. >> >> You dont dictate whether people need or dont need anything, that you >> opinion and its in regard to a fantasy item anyway, so pretty moot >> >> Instant background checks would solve a lot of issues, especially since >> it can flag a restricted individual, you try to buy a gun when you arent >> supposed to, you should get a quick visit from authorities to clear it out >> >> How would going after white supremacists stop the majority of the >> shootings and mass shootings, since minorities perpetrate the majority of >> those? Its always best to start with addressing the big problems first. >> white supremacists, black supremacists, I dont think there are really any >> other color supremacists out there. but both are the same card. best to >> focus on criminals instead of idiots and emotions because CNN told you to. >> >> How would indicting trump have stopped yesterday or the mass shootings >> under your god obama? >> >> >> >> You definitely shouldnt own firearms, I agree with you there. >> >> >> >> Seventy years ago, KKK was in full steam politicians were openly members, >> racism was rampant and most every school had a boatload of firearms in the >> lot and in the building. So your whole premise that this is a white problem >> is just you being a racist bigot. There were little to no mass shootings or >> school shootings. >> >> >> >> The moron in new york at least made it clear in his manifesto that was >> pretty much plagiarized from the australian guy that this happens where it >> happens because there are no guns there. he was very clear in that. Mass >> shooters (gang members and the CNN image of the white kid) have one thing >> in common, theyre cowards. They wont target armed areas, thats why schools >> and gun free zones are what they like to hit (and the fact that the schools >> abuse alot of these guys) >> >> >> >> The left fights for no guns, no borders, no consequense, no death >> penalty, no accountability for things they like, and then they wonder why >> the natural progression occurs. Thats why lieberalism is a mental illness. >> victimology and cliche dont get the job done. never has, never will, fiddle >> and watch burn >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 10:31 AM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Ban all assault weapons... >> >> Normal folks don't need those... >> >> Make purchasing guns harder and stricter background checks.. >> >> Go after white supremacist groups aggressively .. >> >> Cut the head of the snake off...indict trump >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 25, 2022, 9:25 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >> wrote: >> >> What would you have them do? >> >> >> >> *From:* Jaime Solorza >> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 9:02 AM >> >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political >> >> >> >> I stand by my posts...in Texas it's the Republicans who are strong gun >> supporters...and fuck Democrats who don't do shit... >> >> Tony Gonzales for one . >> >> I call it as it is... >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 25, 2022, 8:45 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >> wrote: >> >> This has been building for decades and multiple administrations. So why >> is it always the total fault of Republicans? Are Democrats so feckless >> they cannot do anything but whine raise taxes? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> On May 25, 2022, at 6:36 AM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Bullshit Steve...immigrants haven't been killing children or people with >> assault weapons...they come here for a better life... >> >> You don't live near the border... >> >> You see things through a tunnel vision created by xenophobic racist >> assholes... >> >> I have been to Uvalde many times for work and pleasure...as a grandfather >> of 16 school age children this hit me very hard... >> >> Fuck guns, fuck Trump, fuck Abbott, fuck Cruz, fuck NRA, fuck GOP, pro >> life my ass.. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 24, 2022, 11:59 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> No country that enacted these controls already had the volume of firearms >> we have presently. Comparing apples and turtles. Ban them and you have >> nothing but illegal weapons. We have a porous border that democrats fight >> very hard to ensure whole people can get across. Ban guns and see how that >> turns out. Disarm real people and every city and town will be Compton USA. >> Stop the hugathug campaigns and the shootings will be less. >> >> >> >> You folks are only upset because some white kids may have been shot. You >> dont care that more kids of color are killed annually in here and there >> shootings. Get off the big ticket outrage bandwagon, its dispicable. >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 25, 2022, 12:01 AM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> >> wrote: >> >> Stricter gun laws absolutely help reduce violence. Look at every other >> country in the world and how much less gun violence they have. >> >> >> >> Making guns harder to buy reduces the supply available to criminals. >> Every gun a criminal has/had was at some point sold legally. Requiring >> universal background checks means no more private sales without a >> background check. Gun shows and private party sales don't require checks >> today when they should. >> >> >> >> If background checks are required for any sale or gift of a firearm, this >> means sellers will be liable if the firearm they sold/gifted is used to >> commit a crime if they didn't do a background check. Hold people >> accountable who put guns into the hands of bad people. If a child uses a >> parent's gun to commit a crime, charge the parent for something serious. >> Send a message that guns are serious and dangerous in the wrong hands. >> People will lock up their guns and be way more careful about who they sell >> or gift them to if they are liable for crimes committed using their >> firearm. >> >> >> >> Can't you see how these measures will reduce the supply of legal guns >> going to criminals and mentally unstable people? Again, look at every other >> country that has either gun bans or strict gun control and their statistics >> clearly show that they have less gun violence per capita. If it works >> everywhere else, it WILL work here. >> >> >> >> Red flag laws and revokation of gun ownership should be passed too so if >> someone becomes mentally unstable and starts posting about threats or >> violence they want to cause, the sheriff should be able to sieze their guns >> until they have a psych eval and can prove they're sane enough to get their >> guns back. >> >> >> >> This is a stupid saying: the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a >> good guy with a gun. >> >> >> >> The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to make sure they never have >> access to a gun to begin with. There's multiple reasons why arming more >> people is a bad idea. There's too many cooks in the kitchen then. Say >> you're in Texas at church where many people carry. Someone decides to start >> killing people in church so 20 "good guys" with guns pull out their pistol >> and have to decide who the bad guy is... How many good guys end up getting >> shot by other good guys? The answer is quite a few. You don't always know >> who the bad guy with a gun is if all the good guys with guns draw at the >> same time. You could be shot by other good guys or cops on accident. Worse >> yet would be shooting innocent bystanders because there's a 20 person >> firefight happening in church. >> >> >> >> The solution goes back to people having fewer guns and America getting >> rid of their obsession with guns. Keep them for hunting but don't make guns >> a personality trait. The people who take family Christmas card pictures all >> holding guns is embarrassing as hell. Like can't you just own guns and be >> private about it instead of acting all Macho and worshiping your weapons?! >> >> >> >> FYI, I am a gun owner and have a permit to carry. I do not carry but have >> the ability to. I have several pistols and some hunting rifles and >> shotguns. I have no desire for an assault rifle and don't see the need for >> others to want them either. I think it should be much harder to buy a gun >> and I support that. >> >> >> >> The solution to gun violence is not to hire more armed guards and police >> officers to patrol schools and other public places. All that does is cost >> tons of money and doesn't prevent a bad guy from shooting up a place. It >> may only reduce the response time to take out the shooter. Think 20 steps >> before we get to the shooting. Preventing access to guns is Step #1 in >> preventing these mass shootings and requires no extra money or armed guards. >> >> >> >> Facts show these measures will work to reduce gun violence. Opinions, >> thoughts and prayers do nothing to stop gun violence. Supporting the gun >> lobby does not help. Allowing politicians to block all gun control >> legislation does not help. Over 90% of Americans support universal >> background checks yet the Republicans won't do a damn thing to pass it. >> >> >> >> I'll scream this until people hear it, the Republicans are the >> obstructionist, pro-death party. Their only platform is to say no to >> democrats. They blocked bills to reduce the cost on insulin, help increase >> supply of baby formula, help reduce gas prices, etc. They actively try to >> hurt the American people. They take away human rights. They lie about >> science and allow their supporters to die from covid by spreading >> misinformation. They try to scare their supports by putting the fear of God >> into them with baseless claims of replacement theory, war on God, >> indoctrination... >> >> >> >> The party has become a joke. No spine and full of cowards who won't stand >> up to hateful rhetoric. A coup attempt on January 6 and the party still >> spreads the big lie that trump won when he clearly lost in the most secure >> election in history. The party is becoming worthless and the younger >> generation won't tolerate all the BS. >> >> >> >> Democrat is the progressive party that cares about all people and as long >> as we keep it moderate and speak up about what we like and don't like, they >> are likely to listen. Reach out to your politicians and tell them what you >> want them to do if you don't agree with their platform. >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 24, 2022, 11:25 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Fuck our piece of shit governor, Trumpabbott and all his gun loving >> supporters... >> >> Fuck his press release... >> >> These pieces of shit...are supposed to be at an NRA event next week >> >> Trumputinsky, Trumpabbott and Ted Cancun Cruzado...fuck them to hell >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 24, 2022, 6:34 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> >> wrote: >> >> 18 more children shot and killed. Fuck thoughts and prayers from the >> right. These damn Republicans MUST agree to some sort of sensible gun >> control. >> >> >> >> Guns need to be hard to purchase, not easy. Red flag laws need to be >> passed. Background checks for any and all purchases, no exceptions. >> >> >> >> Another shooting, more dead children and the Republicans want to do >> nothing. They'll gladly keep letting Americans die in order to keep gun >> nuts happy. Something over 60% of Americans support stricter gun control. >> >> >> >> Republicans continue to be the pro-death party. How embarrassing and >> shameful!! If you vote republican, start reaching out to your politicians >> and ask them to fucking do something!! This is a goddamn joke. These mass >> shootings only happen in America. >> >> >> >> I support if you're conservative but you must voice your opinion if your >> party keeps messing up. Tell them to take action! >> >> >> >> On Mon, May 23, 2022, 2:40 PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Figuratively inside the lines. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman >> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 1:56 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political >> >> >> >> ...you mean outside the lines? >> >> >> >> On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 1:47 PM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> NYDOT can be pretty accommodating, but they definitely have a lot of >> rules and they do want you to color inside the lines. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF >> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 1:37 PM >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political >> >> >> >> Once we had to cut a road with an excavator. Then we had to do compacted >> fill in lifts, the asphalt on the top had to be milled down on both sides >> so the profile of the patch formed a T shape. We used the hot sticky >> apshalt oil in a sprayer to spray down the T patch prior to dumping hot mix >> on it and compacting. The guy running the sprayer was almost empty so he >> sprayed some of the gravel on the edges of the road surface in the gravel >> empty his machine. Not sure why he wanted to empty it as normally they >> just shut off the burner and pump and add more the next day. >> >> >> >> An inspector came out and made us do defcon 1 full hazmat clean up job >> where he emptied his sprayer. >> >> >> >> Then the next year they chip sealed that road. That involves laying down >> rock chips and spraying the whole road and a portion of the shoulder with >> the exact same hot sticky asphalt oil mix we got in trouble for the year >> before. Same inspector was there. I got out and asked why UDOT can do it >> and we cannot, is the UDOT hot asphalt oil less hazardous. He told me to >> get off his work site or I would be arrested. >> >> >> >> *From:* Bill Prince >> >> *Sent:* Monday, May 23, 2022 9:56 AM >> >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political >> >> >> >> but it's organic. >> >> bp >> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >> On 5/23/2022 8:05 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> “kile (with an I not a Y and woke parents) doesn't believe asphalt and >> concrete are environmentally friendly” >> >> >> >> Well an asphalt road is kind of like a really long oil spill >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Saturday, May 21, 2022 2:35 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political >> >> >> >> Most libertarians I know are just crybabies. They want the benefits of >> governance without the costs. In a libertarian society to have a 100 mile >> road, you would destroy your car every trip because there would be no >> single governing body to maintain it in a consistent manner. Sure we have >> road issues now, but every property line you cross would be a new road. And >> if john at mile 6 like cobblestone, its cobblestone, and you know keith at >> mile 23 is gonna charge a 42 dollar toll, kile (with an I not a Y and woke >> parents) doesn't believe asphalt and concrete are environmentally friendly, >> so mile 36 is made of soy and has long since been eaten by animals, paul at >> mile 52 is a dick and stores all his nails on his road, then Greg up at >> mile 99 he doesn't like people so he put boulders across his mile. >> >> These fools are just kid brains who want no government of someone else's, >> they want their government based on their current whim. Most of their >> arguments break down after a little long term logic. >> >> >> >> I also forgot to mention, just like wiping your ass, it's best to not >> push too hard on a 2022 liberal, you'll just end up pushing through to a >> fingerful of shit. >> >> >> >> On Fri, May 20, 2022, 12:53 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: >> >> Yeah the libertarian platform I agree with, the Koch brothers and the >> (Ron/Rand) Paul family are too far out there in whackadoodle land for me. >> >> >> >> -Sean >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 7:02 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I read the Libertarian part platform and thought I could be on board. I >> registered as Libertarian and carried the card in my wallet. >> >> …..and then I met the other libertarians. Some I can relate with and >> some others are absolutely insane. >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie >> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 6:47 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political >> >> >> >> Yeah, the nutjobs ruined that designation. I used to partially identify >> as libertarian, I don't do that anymore. >> >> On Thursday, May 19, 2022, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: >> >> Here in ColoRADo voting libertarian ends up getting people like Lauren >> Bobert elected lol :-/ >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:15 AM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >> wrote: >> >> It's not a throwaway vote!!!! You have to vote libertarian if you want a >> libertarian! >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 11:06 AM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: >> >> <Say in the voice of Mr. Mackey from South Park> >> >> >> >> Mmmkay everyone, all you “woke” people are tried and cranky, y’all need >> to go back to bed and get some rest. >> >> >> >> -Sean >> >> >> >> (For the record I’m registered independent , socially liberal, fiscally >> conservative, I would vote libertarian if it wasn’t a throwaway vote) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 8:53 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >> wrote: >> >> Well, maybe their thin skin needs some toughening up. Everyone could use >> some more grit. >> >> >> >> In my experience, those that feel compelled to “call out” people never >> affect positive change. And frequently they harm themselves in the >> trying. Becoming toxic themselves to those they are trying to >> shame/expose/coerce/educate/put down. >> >> >> >> What good does it do to tell some red necked construction worker that he >> is being racist? I just avoid those with views I abhor. And I try to >> teach by example. But I never call anyone out. At work, if they are my >> employee, I address the concern in private. If they don’t change I fire >> them. >> >> >> >> Social justice warriors are idiots in my opinion. They invent a noble >> cause with which to enshroud themselves while acting out in socially >> impolitic ways, a good reason, in their mind, to be an anarchist. Look at >> antifa and proud boys. >> >> >> >> Exact same people, doing the exact same things, for the exact same >> reasons. The ONLY difference is some contrived battle line they are trying >> to advance. >> >> >> >> *From:* Cameron Crum >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:42 AM >> >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political >> >> >> >> You stirred the liberal hornets nest now, Chuck. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Weirdly opposite here. My brothers are vocally alt-right. All >> ex-military, all purport to be Christian. One is dead from substance abuse >> and suffered a variety of mental health issues. The surviving two are >> always broke, angry, and unhappy. I feel like I have to tiptoe around them >> so they don’t fly off the handle about anything. >> >> >> >> …..and I’m not at all “woke”. I just know it’s not for me to pass >> judgement. >> >> >> >> On the other hand, this is NY. Maybe they feel like they’re the rebels >> fighting the evil liberal death star. Maybe your kids in Utah feel like >> they’re the rebels fighting the evil Republican death star. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:11 PM >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT mildly political >> >> >> >> Woke, broke, in therapy and crazy unhappy. >> >> >> >> That is how I would describe some of my kids. >> >> >> >> The alt right unwoke ones seem to have money and happiness. >> >> >> >> Never expected I would not be able to speak my mind at family dinners >> just to be able to still see some of my kids. >> >> Feel like I was convicted in absentia, thrown in the hole for a lifetime >> sentence, but taken out of solitary confinement now and then at their whims >> just so they could claim to have compassion on me for a half hour walk in >> the woods. Maybe longer if I pay for dinner. >> >> >> >> Odd times.... >> >> I loved my parents and grandparents. >> >> Never felt they had to earn it. >> >> Never would have thought of condemning them for the things they said. >> >> >> >> Funny, I have a sister that lives 1000 miles from me. Our families were >> separate all while the kids were growing. >> >> But some of hers have done the same things to her. 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