This is not like choosing to not wear a seatbelt. This is like choosing to drive without brakes.
Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 23, 2021, at 2:11 PM, David Coudron <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > I know, we can all make our own decisions. However, I don’t believe I have > stated anything that varies from the facts. I can send you the Moderna > sheet I received with my vaccine if you want to see that. > > Your points about FDA approval are probably accurate, however, why is not OK > to say that I want to wait for the approval? That doesn’t seem so > unreasonable. We don’t let folks on the plane based on the likelihood that > those on the no-fly list probably won’t show up to get on the plane anyway. > We still check each and every person to make sure. Just like we do the FDA > approval process to make sure. Otherwise, we could just tell drug companies > “if you are pretty sure you’d pass anyway, we won’t bother putting you > through the approval process” We don’t do that for good reason. > > I agree with you on the memes both ways. Neither approach are helping the > situation. It should be a discussion based upon the scientific merits of > the situation. Unfortunately both side love to poke at the intelligence of > those that don’t agree with their decision. > > There is no way to know this for sure, but I wonder how many folks publicly > shaming others for not taking the vaccine know that it is not FDA approved? > > Likely won’t change lots of folks decisions, nor am I suggesting it should > have. But I don’t think that those of us that decided to go ahead with the > vaccination get to make medical decisions for those who aren’t comfortable > with an experimental vaccine. > > > From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Adam Moffett > Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 2:56 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT somewhat political > > I'm not calling anybody stupid, but I don't agree with most of your list. > > On 7/23/2021 3:37 PM, David Coudron wrote: > Here is what I find particularly challenging about suggesting that folks who > have chosen not to take the vaccine are not that smart. > > Folks who do that never talk about that fact that this is not an FDA approved > medicine/vaccine. I took the Moderna vaccine, the paperwork clearly stated > several facts. Among them are: > This is not FDA approved. > It has an emergency use authorization. FDA approval takes a long time, but > around 90% of the submissions end up approved because they are pretty well > tested by the manufacturer before they apply. Anybody applying for FDA > approval already has a pretty good idea whether it's going to go through or > not. Presumably people on a no-fly list don't routinely show up at the > airport expecting to board a plane. Presumably people don't try to get a CDL > if they know they'll fail the drug test. Same idea. > > > This “vaccine” has not been proven to prevent the virus. While we likely > all agree that there is a very good likelihood that this “vaccine” will help > prevent it, it is far from a proven fact. > 99% of people dying of Covid right now are un-vaccinated. We can split hairs > and say maybe it didn't prevent them from becoming infected, but it clearly > prevents them from dying. > > > The argument is, “there should be no reason to think this vaccine isn’t safe > since people aren’t dying from taking the vaccine”. > I've never heard such an argument. > > Vaccines are a risk/reward type of medical treatment. Every medicine you > take has some level of side effect. The vast majority of medicines have > such negligible side effects, that they are considered completely safe. The > FDA approval process exists to ensure we understand the potential of serious > side effects and drug interaction issues. If you are 30 years old and folks > are saying you have to take this experimental drug to prevent this incredibly > small chance of you becoming seriously ill or dying, it seems like an > intelligent thing to say “I am not sure the risk of getting seriously ill or > dying from this disease outweighs the risk of using an experimental drug”. > It used to be that people relied upon a conversation with their doctor to > determine personal risk of disease and use of a drug. Apparently we no > longer do that. We publicly shame people into using experimental drugs. > > > Since it is not FDA approved, we don’t have a full understanding of drug > interactions with other medicines folks need to take. > It isn't some weird new chemical we just invented this year. > > > We likely understand the very common medicines, but, certainly not all. We > have FDA approval processes for good reason. If for example, you were under > 40 and were taking seizure control medication, it would be very fair to hold > off on an experimental drug until it is fully understood if the vaccine might > lessen the effectiveness of the seizure control medication. An incredibly > low risk of serious illness or death from the virus could turn into a good > chance of serious injury from seizure. As far as I know data like that is > certainly not available yet. > > > Why do vaccinated people feel the need to belittle those that have decided > not to get vaccinated by an experimental drug? > I don't know the answer to that. I'm not comfortable with that behavior > either. It goes both ways though. Plenty of memes out there accusing people > of being dumb sheep for taking the vaccine. > > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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