If we're talking about Aviat or AF 11ghz, then yes rain fade is a thing.  A vendor should be able to run path calculations based on your location to give you an idea of how much it will affect performance and how often.

You are mistaken about bits/hz of current hardware.  Wireless hardware is now running very close to the practical limits of spectral efficiency.


On 3/10/2021 10:49 AM, Jan Van Kort wrote:

So that would be a yes it does experience rain fade?  It rains here and heavy misting at least 6 months out of the year.

I'm not finding that model on google, Mouser elect. seems to be an Aviat dealer, not finding this model there, so I wouldn't know what freq this model supports.  Is it even produced anymore?

I don't understand why manufacturers don't compress the signal more to get higher bandwidth.  Using tighter filters they should be able to get a 100x more data throughput than they do.  1 Mhz appears to be worth 1 bit.  Why aren't they using 100hz for 1bit?  Tighter filter, vast increase in throughput, no more competition from cable/fiber.

just saying, the manufacturers designers should pull their heads out of their bosses butts and improve the designs they have instead of reaching for higher bands which only function under rare conditions!

On 3/10/21 7:28 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Everything above 7ghz experiences rain fade.  No vendor can fix that.

On 3/10/2021 10:25 AM, Jan Van Kort wrote:

Does this unit experience rain fade/fog issues?

On 3/10/21 7:15 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:

AF5X-HD or AF11X if you want to stay in the UBNT ecosystem.

Personally, I’d do 11X because the channel widths needed for backhaul are better used in PTMP 5ghz.  11X will get you 500-600mbps at that distance.

If you need more speed, I’d look at Aviat 11Ghz.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com <http://www.brazoswifi.com/>

*From:*AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Jan Van Kort
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 10, 2021 9:04 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* [AFMUG] PowerBeam upgrade?

We're using PowerBeam 5AC ISO for our links between towers.  Is there a higher capacity choice available yet?  Our longest links are about 6-7 miles.

GAMs

On 3/9/21 7:34 PM, James Howard wrote:

    My 3 year old who’s wearing it doesn’t need to worry about that.

    *From:*AF [mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
    *Sent:* Tuesday, March 9, 2021 8:59 PM
    *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
    <mailto:[email protected]>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] tower take down

    That would be a good one of you were asking fbi to look into
    felonies with potential domestic terror undertones (as low as
    that bar is set right now)

    On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 7:47 PM James Howard <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        Are you referring to a red version of a hat like this?

        *From:*AF [mailto:[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
        *Sent:* Tuesday, March 9, 2021 6:24 PM
        *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] tower take down

        not a joke, but if you can get an image of any of those
        involved in a particular red hat, FBI may actually take it up.

        On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 6:22 PM Steve Jones
        <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

            guido sarduci. he will ensue recompense.

            On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 5:13 PM Jan Van Kort
            <[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                It was more than 10 years on that property, the
                company has changed hands 4 times since I built
                it(the tower). We're now a utility company and
                provide electric and telecom to a large portion of
                the county. Two owners back the operators were real
                dicks and stole all the good stuff. We bought it
                (the wireless company) back and upgraded the
                service with new stuff and more bandwidth.

                But just the same, FCC stickers on telecom
                equipment always say it's a felony.  Just wondering
                if anyone has ever had to file a complaint? And who to?

                GAMs

                On 3/9/21 2:37 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:

                    I think that if you're talking about the power
                    allocated through stickers, the battle is
                    already lost.

                    Who owned the tower? Was it clear in the
                    contract? As in that case they should have no
                    permission to make any changes to it. Was it
                    fenced in or otherwise had real access control?

                    On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 3:51 PM Jan-GAMs
                    <[email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                        Hey, we had a tower agreement that included
                        a 60 day notice.  We found
                        the tower offline on our monitor system and
                        went to investigate.
                        Someone had taken the guts out of the
                        controller and threw them into the
                        weeds in the rain and had started removing
                        the tower.  It was a 3 legged
                        ham-radio tower 34ft model.  The property
                        owner had sent a weirdly
                        worded email just hours before about having
                        her crew rehabilitate our
                        tower.  How successful are the warning
                        stickers about tampering with
                        telecommunications being a felony?  Has
                        anyone ever enforced that?

                        GAMS


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