& as proof the other way around would _NOT_ have happened was that it happened in 2016, when Clinton lost the EC and _won_ the popular vote.   Yes there were a few pokes here and there but nothing anywhere near the same scale as what we are seeing this year.   Come on, you cannot make _any_ excuse for the wall that has been put up preventing Biden's team from getting up to speed for the transition.   This will cost lives.  It could very likely be yours, mine or your or my loved ones.    I can only hope it's one of Trump's loved ones but they will get the vaccine before health care workers if they haven't already gotten it.

On 11/19/20 8:58 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
The only reason the media ripped on trump is because he was a disgrace to the high office of President. He made a joke of our country. He bullied, tweeted, and lied for his entire term.

If a Democrat acted the same way trump did, I would fully expect all news to rip on them too. Trump further divided our country, shit on our allies, and shared hateful conspiracy theories.

He craves attention, refuses to lose, and any time he tried to do something good he would ruin it with some tweet. He fired more staff than any other president in history. He's paranoid, rude, and holds grudges.

He shows no empathy for anyone. He doesn't show compassion. He doesn't show love. He doesn't forgive. He doesn't forget. He doesn't lead.

He never talks about his family. He expects loyalty and for people to bend the knee.

I've never been more embarrassed for our country when he was elected. We needed a politician in office, not a celebrity. He rocked the boat but not in a good way.

Give me a stable republican and I may vote for them if they care about every American, not just their base.

Sidenote: I was grocery shopping tonight and someone was wearing a shirt that said: Trump 2020. FUCK YOUR FEELINGS

Real classy trump supporter. Wearing a shirt like that at our local Hyvee with kids and families shopping. I'm embarrassed people think it's ok to wear things like that. 1st amendment allows them to but it's still disrespectful.



On Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 10:20 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <m...@mailmt.com <mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:



    It doesn't matter who won, the outcome is the same.  All of us
    should have been intelligent enough to predict this. The only way
    this would have ended well for the country would have been a
    landslide for Biden.  Not saying Biden is good for the country,
    but it was the only chance we may have had not to deal with this
    bullshit.

    If Trump won in a landslide, mainstream media would just continue
    with the non-stop bashing for another four years.  He would have
    been declared an illegitimate president again. The story would be
    the same as last time "look at the polls, no way he could have
    won, must of cheated".  We would be watching cities burn right now.

    If roles were reversed and Trump had the slim lead, the Biden camp
    would be doing the same thing the Trump camp is doing now.  Do you
    really think Biden would have conceded. The only difference, is
    the mainstream media would have been digging deep to find each and
    every "fake" vote for Trump.  They would be working overtime. 
    Every story would be assumed true and not debated.  No winner
    would be declared yet.

    When the counting is done, Trump will end up with almost 75M
    votes.  That is more that 10M more than Hillary got in 2016. 
    About 12M more people voted for Trump this time around.  More
    minorities voted for Trump this time around.

    Did you really think Trump's base would just accept the losing
    outcome?  Did you really think Biden's base would have accepted a
    losing outcome?  On the plus side the scales tipped to the left,
    so at least we aren't seeing the riots.

    This election will never be accepted by half the country, just
    like the last election was never accepted by half the country. 
    Only difference is at least on the nightly news I won't have to
    listen to 100% Trump bashing day in and day out trying to scare me
    straight.  It was getting depressing.  Everything was bad news.  I
    swear if Trump found the cure for cancer, it would have been spun
    as bad news.

    Come February, everything will be reported as unicorns and
    rainbows.  Life in the old USA will be great.  There will be no
    issues.  Fox News will move right center, I don't think they will
    be as hard on Biden as CNN was on Trump. Social media will be
    where all the Trump supports go.  But they will be banned form the
    main sites and live on the fringe.

    The left has the ball.  All these problems that have been drilled
    into our heads for the past 4 years are now their issue to fix. 
    They have 2 years to convince us they can do a better job.  Both
    the house and senate majorities are so thin, either one can flip
    in two years.

    Finally, it really doesn't matter.  Our daily lives will not
    change that much.  Sure we'll probably have to deal with Net
    Neutrality again.  Maybe some type of national tax on Internet
    service is in the future.  Maybe another healthcare shake up. 
    Maybe there will be some half-assed legislation on gun control or
    immigration, but no real fix.  The precedent was set in the last 4
    years, every executive action will be taken to court.

    But we'll adapt and continue moving on.  We always do.

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    Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com

    Myakka Technologies, Inc.
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    Thursday, November 19, 2020, 10:23:07 PM, you wrote:


        Steve,

    
https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/wayne-circuit-judge-dismisses-lawsuit-against-city-of-detroit-alleging-election-fraud


    Please read this article and the judge's 13 page ruling on what
    you claim is fraud. You and trump have been shot down again.

    Judge's are denying these suits left and right, some of them
    getting quite heated in their opinions suggesting they shouldn't
    even be wasting their breath on these baseless claims.

    On Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 9:01 PM Steve Jones
    <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

        not going to play your game. I watched the mutt put up the
    cardboard and stand there like a gimp. everyone watched when they
    tried to serve the judges order and were still denied access,
    facts are simply that, facts.
    
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/05/media/detroit-windows-covered-ballots-vote-center/index.html
    except the "protesters" were poll watcher, your team cant even lie
    well
    
https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2020/11/05/philadelphia-court-decision-poll-watchers-now-allowed-within-6-feet-of-ballot-counting-at-pennsylvania-convention-center/
    your kind will say that binoculars are good enough. odd that
    judges ruled on something that didnt happen, are you saying the
    judges lied?

    just because you dont want it to be true doesnt make something
    "debunked". Just admit there were issues, present solutions. 4
    years spent pushing a russian narrative that was literally
    debunked and always offered without evidence (hint, there was
    none). pick a single narrative and run with said narrative, across
    the board. much like the elder cruelty of putting rudy and joe in
    the spotlight

    On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 8:21 PM Darin Steffl
    <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com <mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> wrote:

        Steve,

    Cite your sources that poll watchers weren't allowed to observe.
    You won't be able to because in every case so far, there have been
    poll watchers inside watching the count in every precinct.

    You only saw some angry trump supporters standing outside in
    Detroit trying to get in when there were already 200+ republic
    poll watchers already inside. They put up cardboard because the
    people outside were being distracting.

    Every court filing that has been filed so far has proven that poll
    watchers were not kept out. Only "extras" that showed up were
    blocked because you don't need any more inside a building than
    already existed.


    On Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 8:12 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com
    <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

        

    Oh sure. We are now using some schmoe in a stocking cap for "news"?

    Part of the reason we are in the situation we are in is that we
    pay more attention to clowns than they deserve.

    --
    bp
    part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

    On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 4:21 PM justsumname <unixday...@gmail.com
    <mailto:unixday...@gmail.com>> wrote:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBdfxJdlvcE

    It is getting interesting, and this election thing is still far
    from over.
    --

    On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 2:45 PM Steve Jones
    <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

        lol, they just elected a guy president with the same cruelty, so
    thats not really much of a thing anymore

    On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 1:43 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
    <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

        It’s cruel of people to keep putting Rudy in the public eye when
    clearly he’s not all there anymore, I don’t know if it’s dementia
    or what, but he needs to be sitting on a porch somewhere playing
    checkers, not making a fool of himself for the world to see.  Of
    course he’s always been a little off, look at his marriage
    history.  I assume since he was a lawyer and mayor he wasn’t
    always like this.  Or maybe he was. Again, the marriage history.


    *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
    <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
    *Sent:* Thursday, November 19, 2020 12:46 PM
    *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
    <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

    I dont know what happened to that guy. hopefully when this is said
    and done we go the way of canada on electronic voting.  then we
    put cameras recording the count tables. Golden and no need for
    recounts or weird people like this team of lunatics having crazy
    press conferences. I think the media sent their interns instead of
    reporters

    On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 12:35 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com
    <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

        Guliani told me I could Google Dominion and find out that it's
    owned by Venezuelans. My Google seems to work differently from his.


    On 11/19/2020 1:07 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

        jesus christ this broad just referred to themselves as an "elite
    strikeforce team"

    On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 12:00 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com
    <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

        Sorry Steve. You lost me at the bakery.

    bp
    <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
    On 11/19/2020 9:51 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

        While id like my guy to come out on top magically, this press
    conference presents more like a bad SNL skit

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