Thanks for all that info. Can you give me insight into virtualization? What do you use for tha? I know I probably should use it but I haven't. The licensing seems really confusing for VM and not sure there are any good alternatives.
On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 10:30 AM Ryan McAfee <r...@n5qz.org> wrote: > That's the kind of situation where blades can make sense. > For general use, unless you have crazy space requirements, up until about > 8-12 servers, at least, I wouldn't consider them. At a pay-per-U > datacenter, that could make sense. > > Yes, we've used NetApp SANs for NFS/iSCSI. I've also seen good results > with many other brands of storage enclosure. Even QNAP has a decent storage > system at reasonable prices. > > Blade systems CAN simplify cabling (unless you still need a ton of > uplinks). > The HP c7000 system was pretty easy to manage, but we had issues with the > management cards in both chassis. Over time ping to the OAs would get > longer and longer until they quit responding and the onboard administrators > had to be reset. We had the issue with C7000 acquired in 2008 and another > in 2010. HP, of course, said "We've never seen this before". We just > accepted it as normal, eventually, and did a failover of the OAs, primary > to secondary, and rebooted them about once a month. That was non-disruptive > to the workload. > HP's converged networking makes a lot more sense to me than Cisco > UCS's (acquired 2013). > > Overall, the blade system increased the price, left us constrained on > things like memory slots and ability to put in PCI cards and local disks. > > Ryan > > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 8:44 AM <af-requ...@af.afmug.com> wrote: > >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: servers (Lewis Bergman) >> 2. Re: servers (Erich Kaiser) >> 3. Re: servers (Chuck McCown) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 08:05:00 -0500 >> From: Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] servers >> Message-ID: >> < >> cad2cnaquan98ny_8dkh2yfzxezmv_agdwxdphlwqurcby1l...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> I am really glad I read your post. I have always done it the way you >> describe but thought I would try blades this time. We do have to put this >> project in Equinix which means power requirements really matter a lot and >> it costs a decent amount to add more. Do you just have a big iSCSI for >> storage? >> >> By the way Chuck, I did not mention the HP DL20. It is a shallow 1U that >> could be mounted on a single post rack. Like any single post 1U, it could >> really use a shelf to add support to the back. They do fit anywhere. Not >> the fastest machines ever but more than enough to do what you want. But so >> are Atoms, Pi's and a tone of other tiny form factors. Even the NUC would >> bang out what you have for requirements. >> >> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 8:59 PM Ryan McAfee <r...@n5qz.org> wrote: >> >> > Blade systems can be awesome, but they add a TON of complexity over >> > regular pizza-box servers. >> > Unless you need the hardware density of blades, I'd much rather have a >> > stack of HP DL360/DL380 or the Dell R740xd type servers (can't remember >> the >> > 1U equivalent on the Dell side). >> > >> > I've managed HP blade chassis (2 different generations) and Cisco UCS >> > blades in a VMWare environment. I've really not cared for either types. >> > >> > The 1U/2U servers are much easier to work on, have easy expansion slots, >> > places to mount disk bays, etc... >> > Plus you can get a 2-generation old server for a couple hundred dollars >> on >> > ebay and other vendors. >> > >> > At my $dayjob, we just put in a Dell R740xd2 stack of Hyper-V servers. >> The >> > hardware is pretty awesome. >> > We didn't even consider blades this time. >> > >> > Ryan >> > >> > On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 8:48 PM <af-requ...@af.afmug.com> wrote: >> > >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> Message: 1 >> >> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 19:08:50 -0600 >> >> From: <ch...@wbmfg.com> >> >> To: <af@af.afmug.com> >> >> Subject: [AFMUG] servers >> >> Message-ID: <760C91BEE8344A249EB9F7291415D03B@MCCOWNTECH.local> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> >> I need to put in some servers. I want to go durable. Last a long >> time. >> >> Thinking blade servers. >> >> Email, DNS etc, Perhaps in the future DHCP. Other things an ISP uses. >> >> >> >> Suggestions? I like the idea of hot swap etc. I realize VM and Hyper >> V, >> >> all kinds of virtualization makes life easy. >> >> But irrespective, I want bare metal reliability. >> >> >> >> Then perhaps NAS/SAN on top of it. >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> >> URL: < >> >> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/private/af_af.afmug.com/attachments/20200925/4beed145/attachment-0001.html >> >> > >> >> >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of AF Digest, Vol 28, Issue 451 >> *********************************** >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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