If the equipment you're looking at (Aviat in this case) bonds + or - to the frame/chassis it means your job just got more complicated. If the rest of your equipment is floating, you might be OK, but more likely, some or all of the other equipment will be negative ground. In that case, the simple solution is to have two power supplies, one with negative ground, and one with positive ground (or floating).
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So, like on these aviats, my contractor says they're -48v, but the connector in the radio bonds to ground. Does that mean my whole site has to have -48v or just radios powered by that particular psu?
On Mon, Sep 21, 2020, 8:59 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
--Now if we could get the manufacturers to be less secretive about their POE schemes. They mostly want you to use their POE device and don’t want to document the pinouts or explain if it matters which side is referenced to ground.
Mostly I find that using a Cat6-POE-APC with the jumpers as set at the factory and + and – hooked up per the markings works. Which is basically 802.3at. It works with the – side grounded, I suspect it would also work with the + side grounded, or neither. I was hesitant to use this on a PTP820 but it works fine. I don’t know why they make their POE scheme sound so mysterious.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 8:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] -48 noob questions (mikrotik)
Yep - great explanation!
On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 4:55 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
You have a power supply, say a 6 volt car battery. You connect a pair of headlights to it with two wires. All is well.
Now you start building cars. And you are going to wire up the headlights. Someone points out that you can save some money on wiring by using the car chassis instead if one of the wires.
You decide to run the positive connection from the battery to the headlights with wire and return the current via the car’s chassis.
Now you have turned a 6 volt electrical system into a +6 volt system. If you reverse the battery and connect the + side to the chassis and run the wire from the negative post to the headlights , it will still work fine. The headlights don’t care. Now you have a -6 volt electrical system.
The headlights don’t care but the radio does. Most radios expect the chassis to be negative and their power wire to be positive. You can “float” the radio by mounting it on an insulator and connecting its power wire to the car’s chases and the chassis of the radio to the negative wire going to the battery. A bit dangerous but I have had to do this at times.
Oh, and the car is an early VW.
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On Sep 20, 2020, at 2:19 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
I still cant comprehend any of this. I'm just dumb when it comes to it
On Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 2:51 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Yes.
From: TJ Trout
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 1:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] -48 noob questions (mikrotik)
It's just a simple 48 to 12v converter to feed the mikrotik. I tested with a ict +48 supply and the 12v comes out fine, I'm 99% sure it will work on the wood bench, and about 90% sure it will work in a rack.
If it was true -48 I would assume the + terminal would be bonded with chassis ground?
On Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 12:45 PM TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
I think some of my devices have the chassis ground bonded with the negative input terminals, I discovered this
because I am running a telecom rectifier shelf designed for -48 on a +48 system because it's floating, but this
causes the + output to not be fused, so I practiced arc welding once.
Strange, didn't know the 1100 had dc input, but it looks floating though (per specs -48, 12-57 V)
On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 12:40 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
I don’t think I have ever seen a true +48 load.
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 1:29 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] -48 noob questions (mikrotik)
Different situation, but I have several sites with 1100ahx4 powered with +48, even though Mikrotik says they take -48. I suspect you will find the same to be true on the CCR.
Connect the – terminal to ground and the + terminal to +48, obviously you don’t want to apply reverse polarity by trying to connect +48 to the -48 terminal.
I have some ccr1009 and ccr1036 but they are all AC powered, and I have no ccr1072, so I can’t answer your exact question.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 2:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] -48 noob questions (mikrotik)
So I have a handful of ccr1072's that I want to run on our +48v plant, mikrotik sells a '-48v telecom' power supply and they insist it's not compatible with +48v. I ordered one for testing and both +/- input terminals have no reference to chassis ground. I went ahead and applied +48v and the power supply fired up (no smoke) and when measuring from chassis ground to the input terminals I see no difference in potential.
Before I shove this into a $3,000 router I wanted to see what I may be missing here?
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