I wonder what happened to 230 bed Westlake hospital in Melrose Park just west 
of Chicago.  I'm assuming it closed and all the staff were let go?  But that 
was only like 6 months ago.  It may not have been profitable enough, but it 
wasn't cardboard, the switches weren't painted on, seems like it could be 
brought out of mothballs if (big if) they can find staff.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-westlake-hospital-closing-20190809-txyjyw2y5bazzhosdj754k6e74-story.html


-----Original Message-----
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 5:06 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

There was an interesting article about the attempt at the FEMA camp in 
Anniston, and it pointed out that the Hospital emergency center was 
composed of Cardboard devices and painted on switches.   Apparently good 
enough for combat practice not quite up to snuff for patients...



On 03/02/2020 03:05 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
> 
> This happened in Anniston Alabama
> 
> 
> Sent from my smartphone
> 
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> Date: Mon, Mar 2, 2020 10:09 AM
> 
> The problem is the existing plague plans are being shut down by 
> localities refusing to let them utilize spaces as was the design. Any 
> place that refuses should never be allotted a single penny of federal 
> funding for anything.
> they have what, like 10k beds in the CDC quarantines.
> There is no viable solution for a major outbreak in a city like chicago 
> beyond patriots putting a fireline around the city and shooting anybody 
> who tries to exit. Is what it is. Hopefully of it gets boogity, every 
> town closes their highway off-ramps. If the media has their way with 
> getting the hype up, the spread will be crazy from people fanning out 
> rather than seeking care.
> Thermal scopes on AR-15s are probably going to be a thing soon
> 
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:01 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the
>     term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying
>     US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as
>     airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not
>     much surge capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open
>     up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese
>     weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly creating a
>     field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!____
> 
>     __ __
> 
>     I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the
>     first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A
>     hurricane is worse because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies,
>     eliminating capacity.  With the coronavirus what I suspect we need
>     to guard against is infecting all the hospital staff and first
>     responders so they get quarantined.  This appears to be happening
>     with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are
>     now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to that
>     facility.____
> 
>     __ __
> 
>     __ __
> 
>     *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
>     <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>     *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
>     *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
>     <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>     *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu____
> 
>     __ __
> 
>     Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have
>     enough patients____
> 
>     __ __
> 
>     On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com
>     <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:____
> 
>         Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die
>         from COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!____
> 
>         If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten
>         the end.____
> 
>         bp____
> 
>         <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____
> 
>         __  __
> 
>         On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:____
> 
>             Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for
>             tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
>             baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their pantry is
>             cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end
>             times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the
>             end.  Who cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.____
> 
>             ____
> 
>             *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
>             <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>             *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
>             *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
>             *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu____
> 
>             ____
> 
>             You need the disaster to occur to justify all your
>             preparation.  Some part of you is rooting for it.____
> 
>             Just a hypothesis.____
> 
>             ____
> 
>             On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:____
> 
>                 i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the
>                 most prepared. most of the die hard preppers are right
>                 minded. we tend to be the most capable of utilizing
>                 primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes boogity,
>                 we have the best firepower and ammunition and training.
>                 so i never understood why people on the right get very
>                 nervous about these things. a lot like devout christians
>                 worying about end times and rapture.____
> 
>                 ____
> 
>                 On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown
>                 <ch...@wbmfg..com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:____
> 
>                     My oldest home - again son is much worse than you
>                     guys.  He is very alt right too.  He might be Alex
>                     Jones... I have never seen them both at the same
>                     place at the same time.  He is certain Kung flu is
>                     gonna get us all. ____
> 
>                     Sent from my iPhone____
> 
>                     __ __
> 
>                         On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka
>                         Technologies <m...@mailmt.com
>                         <mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:____
> 
>                          On a side note.  Thanks for letting me rant
>                         and rave here.  Can't do it at home, wife just
>                         rolls eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man. 
>                         Chuck, I know you are saving me a few $ in
>                         therapy.  So, Thank You.
> 
> 
>                         --
>                         Best regards,
>                         Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com
> 
>                         Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>                         www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com>
> 
>                         ------
> 
>                         Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote:____
> 
>                               
> 
>                         OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s
>                         from Washington Post after all), but sounds kind
>                         of science-y.
> 
>                         The novel coronavirus has probably been
>                         spreading undetected for about six weeks in
>                         Washington state, where the first U.S. death was
>                         reported this weekend. A genetic analysis
>                         suggests that the cases are linked through
>                         community transmission and that this has been
>                         going on for weeks, with hundreds of infections
>                         likely in the state.
> 
> 
>                         *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
>                         <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
>                         *Ken Hohhof
>                         *Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020 6:21 PM
>                         *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>                         <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>                         *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> 
>                         Must be a Florida thing, or a Walmart thing.  I
>                         have not seen news reports anything close to “we
>                         are all going to die”.
> 
>                         And I just stopped at the grocery store, no
>                         signs at all of people buying up all the Lysol
>                         and Purell.  I did buy a couple of the pump
>                         bottles of foaming hand soap we like, but the
>                         shelf was full.  News reports have said wash
>                         your hands and that it’s good advice for
>                         seasonal flu as well, I don’t think that’s
>                         doomsday advice.
> 
>                         I have not checked Walmart, maybe things are all
>                         crazy there (as usual).  Actually I have to
>                         admit that I recently discovered the steaks from
>                         Walmart are actually pretty good, they were
>                         branded Tyson Fresh Meats.
> 
>                         *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
>                         <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
>                         *Mark - Myakka Technologies
>                         *Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020 5:53 PM
>                         *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>                         <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>                         *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> 
>                         There are only a few things we know for sure.
> 
>                         1. It is already in the US
>                         2. More people in the US will get it
>                         3. More people in the US will die.
> 
>                         Anything other than this is pure speculation at
>                         this point.  We don't know anything about this
>                         virus.  Most everything I hear or read about
>                         this virus starts off with the equivalent of "WE
>                         ARE ALL GOING TO DIE".  But if you bother to
>                         listen or read the article, it always has "may"
>                         or "some experts".  The current official
>                         incubation period is 2-14 days, but hey lets
>                         just report 14 days and base all our models on
>                         this and report it as the most likely scenario. 
>                         We don't know how long it lives on surfaces.  We
>                         don't know how it reacts to UV light.  We don't
>                         know how it will do in warm/humid conditions.
> 
>                         My opinion (just as valid as anyone else's),
>                           This virus has been in the states before the
>                         first reported case.  People have had it and
>                         recovered thinking it was just the flu. Not
>                         everyone exposed is going to get it.  Not
>                         everyone who gets it is going to need to be
>                         hospitalized.  Not everyone who gets
>                         hospitalized will die.
> 
>                         The media once again is doing us a huge
>                         dis-service. They are hyping this thing  way out
>                         of proportion.  Was at Wal-mart yesterday. Every
>                         can of Lysol or Lysol type of product was gone. 
>                         Every package of disinfectant wipes were gone. 
>                         Every bottle of any sized hand sanitizer, gone. 
>                         Crazy.  The closest reported "maybe" case is
>                         over 1300 miles away.  God forbid we get a
>                         reported case in Florida, what will happen
>                         then?  Going to start burning and looting?
> 
> 
>                         --
>                         Best regards,
>                         Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com
> 
>                         Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>                         www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com>
> 
>                         ------
> 
>                         Sunday, March 1, 2020, 3:55:47 PM, you wrote:____
> 
>                               
> 
>                         I am not a doctor. I don't even play one on TV
>                         or any podcasts or blogs. I do pay attention to
>                         as much scientifically-based information I can
>                         find though.
>                         This is a pretty good synopsis on our current
>                         knowledge without any spin:
>                         
> https://www.sciencenews.org/article/what-new-phase-coronavirus-outbreak-united-states-means-you
> 
>                         bp
>                         <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> 
>                         On 2/10/2020 8:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:____
> 
>                               
> 
>                         Nazis are socialists.  Bernie is a socialist. 
>                         Therefore Bernie is a Nazi.  So the Internet says.
> 
>                         *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
>                         <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of
>                         *Steve Jones
>                         *Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2020 10:48 AM
>                         *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>                         <af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
>                         *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT
>                         stock)
> 
>                         thats the secret, remember russia shafted the
>                         nazis last time... russia is in asia, so
>                         russians are asians. Taking them out of the
>                         running too.... Weve said too much
> 
>                         On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:45 AM Adam Moffett
>                         <dmmoff...@gmail.com
>                         <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:____
> 
>                               
> 
>                         Nazis also hate Communists.  It all fits.
> 
>                         On 2/10/2020 11:41 AM, Steve Jones wrote:____
> 
>                               
> 
>                         Im suprised that hasnt gotten traction. This is
>                         obviously genetically designed to target Asians.
>                         The proof is that 99% of infections are asians.
>                         Obviously this is the resurgence of the Nazi
>                         party trying to eliminate a majority of the
>                         population so they can initiate another run at
>                         global domination. My neighbors mom, Karen told
>                         me that her friend, carols husband Brad told her
>                         that he heard that this is what brexit was all
>                         about. Germany and Great Britian are forming an
>                         alliance now. Its all hush hush, but there is a
>                         shadow government of guess what... Nazis.
> 
>                         On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:33 AM Adam Moffett
>                         <dmmoff...@gmail.com
>                         <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:____
> 
>                               
> 
>                         You mean.....Nazi's created Coronavirus?
> 
>                         On 2/10/2020 11:30 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>                          > I'm waiting for Godwin...
>                          >
>                          >
>                          > bp
>                          > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>                          >
>                          > On 2/10/2020 8:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>                          >> The thing driving me nuts right now is that
>                         literally everything is a
>                          >> "conspiracy".
>                          >>
>                          >> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on
>                         purpose, and nobody has the
>                          >> whole picture of what happened until more
>                         time passes. In the interim
>                          >> there's a lot of conflicting information
>                         going around. People latch
>                          >> onto early bits of information that turn out
>                         to be wrong and they
>                          >> won't let go of them.
>                          >>
>                          >> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to
>                         distract press from Hong Kong
>                          >>
>                          >> Coronavirus was created by the USA to defeat
>                         China in a trade war
>                          >>
>                          >> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to
>                         discredit Mexican Lager (I
>                          >> mean that one's obviously a joke.....right?)
>                          >>
>                          >> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must all
>                         stock our survival bunkers.
>                          >>
>                          >> China is hiding all the information about
>                         Coronavirus.  Really? Or
>                          >> maybe they just don't have a live real-time
>                         omniscient feed of all
>                          >> information so they're reporting what they
>                         think is true at the time
>                          >> it's said, or maybe rumors on Facebook
>                         aren't all true.
>                          >>
>                          >> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor.
>                          >>
>                          >>
>                          >>
>                          >> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>                          >>> Starting a new thread to make this
>                         discussion off topic.
>                          >>>
>                          >>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.
>                          >>>
>                          >>> Still zero reported deaths in the US, and
>                         only about a dozen actual
>                          >>> infections. I am still thinking this is not
>                         a big deal. Novel
>                          >>> Coronavirus appears to be more infectious
>                         than SARS, but not
>                          >>> particularly deadly.
>                          >>>
>                          >>
>                          >
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