Cheaters gunna cheat cheat cheat cheat. I think we need to make it easier for small companies and hold criminal those who do cheat.
Did Limitless have to pay the 35 mil back? I don’t think so. And they are bankrupt anyway. But they continue operating a world wide network after stiffing the USDA. > On Jan 31, 2020, at 12:28 AM, Jason McKemie > <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > > It seems like there wouldn't be a good way to guarantee that the funds > couldn't be used for whatever they want. If they're getting "free" money to > build out their network, then the funds that they previously would have used > for that purpose can now be used for said Ferrari, etc. > > IMO there are better uses for this money and the government should stay the > hell out of it. > >> On Thursday, January 30, 2020, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I'm betting CEO bonuses weren't an eligible expense for CAF, but I couldn't >> say for sure. >> >> Even if these scenarios went exactly as described, I'm not entirely sure >> what the logical conclusion we're supposed to draw is. Is it "Frontier used >> public funds inappropriately, therefore we should not make effort to ensure >> appropriate use of public funds"? Even if the first part is true, the second >> doesn't really follow. >> >> I'm guessing from your ideas earlier that you're saying the bidder should be >> vetted ahead of time rather than audited after the fact. I suspect it would >> actually be easier to cheat that way. >> >> >>> On 1/30/2020 9:01 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: >>> Frontier - took CAF funding. >>> CEO took huge payouts >>> CEO buys Ferrari >>> Frontier - Declares bankruptcy >>> >>> Limitless Mobile - gets 35 million >>> Builds multi county “rural” broadband network in the most populated areas >>> of the counties. >>> Promptly declares bankruptcy >>> >>>> On Jan 30, 2020, at 4:27 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> A clever enough cheater will always find a way to cheat, but you can't >>>> make it too easy. >>>> >>>> For NY BPO "Connect NY" there was physical verification that each piece of >>>> equipment you bought actually existed somewhere.....whether in the field >>>> or in storage. The auditor seemed satisfied with a list of serial numbers >>>> plus photographs of all the installations. We made it very well organized >>>> for them: "Rectifier A, Backhaul B, and Base Station C are located at Site >>>> X. Here are our installation photos from Site X." >>>> >>>> You probably wanted good records of what's installed anyway, and if >>>> someone takes the time to fake all of that, then maybe they deserve their >>>> Ferrari. >>>> >>>> Can you think of a project where there was blatant fraud like that? I can >>>> certainly think of times when they made poor product choices, or ended up >>>> with unused equipment due to a design change in the middle of the project, >>>> or they bought 20 of the wrong thing and had to go back and buy 20 of the >>>> correct thing......or something was otherwise screwed up or mismanaged. I >>>> actually can't think of any project where people bought personal toys >>>> (like a Ferrari) with public funds, or any other type of fraud along those >>>> lines. If you saw something like that, I hope you reported it. I used it >>>> as an example of what people would do if there was no auditing. There is >>>> auditing and consequently I don't think people are doing that. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 1/30/2020 4:12 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: >>>>> Except that there IS auditing now... and we DO end up with this exact >>>>> scenario happening currently. It's not stopping it. >>>>> >>>>>> On 1/30/20 4:08 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>>>>> I'd rather not stress over audits, but auditing is a necessary evil IMO. >>>>>> If there were no auditing then there's someone, somewhere who would buy >>>>>> a Ferrari and supply a fake invoice for rectifiers instead. I'm sure >>>>>> everyone on this list can think of someone they've dealt with who ought >>>>>> to have their homework double checked. >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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