How does the system gain compare between the Aviat and Bridgewave radios? I don't see anything listed on the publicly available spec sheet for the Bridgewave.
On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 1:29 PM Tim Hardy <[email protected]> wrote: > Just so we’re comparing apples to apples, Aviat’s values are typical. > Guaranteed values over time are 2 dB less power and 2 dB less threshold, or > 4 dB less system gain. > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:05 PM Darin Steffl <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Just to clarify on the aviat advanced replacement, that does not come >> standard? I have access to their pricing tool and a 2 year standard >> warranty is included but it does not include advanced replacement unless >> you upgrade to that option. It's very affordable from what I saw. >> >> We are likely going to deploy 6 links of the wtm4200 this spring. >> >> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 12:35 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Yeah, xmt power looks pretty impressive on the Aviat radios. It also >>> looks like the receive sensitivity is a couple db better than the PTP820C >>> at any given modulation. >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:24 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> 25.5 dBm xmt power at 4096QAM is pretty impressive. I remember several >>>> years ago some talk of chipsets would use some sort of predistortion >>>> technique to cancel out the distortion in the power amp, is that what is >>>> going on in these radios? I don’t remember who the chip vendor was. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Adair Winter >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 12:15 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> and we found that the WTM4200 has 5.5db more system gain then the SIAE >>>> AP2 at 4096QAM which had better system gain then some of the other radios >>>> on the market. >>>> >>>> SIAE questions if Aviat is reporting correct numbers but I don't think >>>> they are incorrect either.... >>>> >>>> Even if Aviat's numbers are a bit exaggerated and there was only a 3db >>>> difference that's still a whole antennas size! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:12 PM Tim Hardy <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes, as I mentioned previously the system gain of the WTM 4200 at 80 >>>> MHz bandwidth, 4096 QAM is 77.5 dBm (threshold is -52.0 dBm and tx power is >>>> 25.5 dBm). This provides 7.5 dB more fade margin than the AF-11 at 80 MHz >>>> bandwidth, 1024 QAM (system gain 70.5 dBm, threshold -52.5 dBm and tx power >>>> is 18.0 dBm) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 15, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Mathew Howard <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Based on the required signal levels listed in Aviat's spec sheets, it >>>> shouldn't be that hard to achieve 4096QAM. I don't remember what the >>>> numbers were off hand, but it was well within what I would expect on a real >>>> world link. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:59 AM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Just to be clear, the links are actually running at 4096QAM? That’s >>>> pretty impressive. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> But is it like saying you own a 250 mph car? It may be true, but you >>>> also may not be able to verify it from personal experience. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Adair Winter >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:46 AM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hell ya we do, we have three 4096 QAM links running and about to add >>>> one more. >>>> >>>> It's the only way to go >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> You have actual links running 4096QAM IRL? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I thought it was more like being able to land a quadruple axel. Once. >>>> In practice. OK, define “land”. Walk away? Able to skate again once the >>>> cast comes off? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> But I have to admit my view of licensed backhaul capacity has evolved >>>> as video streaming has come to dominate the Internet. Once I thought the >>>> only number that mattered was the 5 nines throughput, or worst case 4 >>>> nines. But customers stream 24x7 and will raise a much bigger fuss over >>>> most-of-the-time speed than over the occasional drop in capacity or even >>>> outage. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Still, even on 2048QAM radios, actually getting 2048QAM seems like >>>> hitting all green lights on the way to work. It’s nice, but you don’t bet >>>> your life on it, or cry when you see the modulation drop to 1024QAM for no >>>> apparent reason. Or 256 or 512 during heavy rain. Maybe if you have all >>>> really short links. We are rural and don’t have that luxury. Most of our >>>> links are 6-10 miles. And given that our climate future seems to look like >>>> Waterworld, rain cannot be ignored. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Andreas Wiatowski >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:05 AM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I find the Aviat radios easier to configure…but the Cambium/Ceragon is >>>> more of a mature platform. Aviat however does 4096QAM. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <image001.jpg> >>>> >>>> *Internet.*** >>>> ** >>>> *Phone.****TV.* >>>> >>>> *Andreas Wiatowski* >>>> >>>> CEO/Founder >>>> >>>> Silo >>>> >>>> *1-866-727-4138, ext 600* <1-866-727-4138,%20ext%20600> >>>> >>>> | >>>> >>>> *[email protected]* <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> *silo.ca* <http://www.silo.ca/> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <image002.png> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <image003.png> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <image004.png> >>>> >>>> *From: *AF <[email protected]> on behalf of Gino Villarini < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 4:31 AM >>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [EXTERNAL] >>>> >>>> Right… yeah mind f*** the 820c is a dual core radio… the Bridgewave and >>>> Aviat radios that do this are single core… so less $$$ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From: *AF <[email protected]> on behalf of Erich Kaiser < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>>> *Date: *Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 5:16 AM >>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> No you can do ACCP on one unit, you just need a combiner that they sell >>>> that goes between the dish and radio. Non-Adjacent channels could be an >>>> option with two radios but probably would do it with two PTP820S and a >>>> combiner. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Erich Kaiser >>>> >>>> North Central Tower >>>> >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> Office: 815-570-3101 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:39 AM Gino A. Villarini <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Don’t you need an extra radio for this on the 820C? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Gino** Villarini * >>>> Founder/President >>>> @gvillarini >>>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 >>>> m: >>>> >>>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 >>>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From: AF <[email protected]> on behalf of Erich Kaiser >>>> <[email protected]>Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> <[email protected]>Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 2:49 AMTo: AnimalFarm >>>> Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Licensed radios >>>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/>* >>>> >>>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> PTP820C does this its called ACCP. <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> >>>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> Erich Kaiser <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> North Central Tower <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> [email protected] <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> Office: 815-570-3101 <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:17 PM SmarterBroadband <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> Hi <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> The BridgeWave Navigator states it can have more than 2x80 channels on >>>> one dual core radio, however the extra channels have to be adjacent. >>>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> Do any other vendors do this in 11 and 18GHz Today (no vaporware). >>>> And do any have non-adjacent channels? <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> Thanks <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> Adam <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> >>>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> -- <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> Adair Winter >>>> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner >>>> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 >>>> C: 806.231.7180 >>>> http://www.amarillowireless.net >>>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Adair Winter >>>> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner >>>> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 >>>> C: 806.231.7180 >>>> http://www.amarillowireless.net >>>> <http://www.amarillowireless.net> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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