It's pretty rare that I even have to think about it. It's honestly way more convenient to just drive into the garage and plug a cord in everyday than having to stop at a gas station a couple times a week...
On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 6:36 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > You get really used to “bingo fuel” like you do in an aircraft. Not a > problem. > > *From:* Steve Jones > *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2019 5:29 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck > > so you have to plot your workday based on access to sufficient charging > sources and 50 percent of your range? > > Dont get me wrong, these teslas are neat toys, they just dont have a > legitimate service use without the advent of the flux capacitor > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 6:27 PM Darin Steffl <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Steve, >> >> I don't believe you understand how fast charging is for Tesla. >> >> My model 3 can charge at up to 150KW so if I pull into a charger at 10% >> battery life and charge to 80%, it only takes about half hour. >> >> With V3 of their supercharger, the rate increased to 250KW peak so expect >> a near full charge under 20 mins while traveling. >> >> 90% of my miles are charged at home in the garage, overnight. Most EV >> owners are not charging at public chargers like we all do at gas stations >> today. This is a fundamental change when buying an EV but it basically >> means you have a full battery every morning. >> >> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 6:15 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> at this point life has fucked me enough that id need bowling ball size >>> beads to gain anything from them >>> >>> For one, a work truck idles for power, for heat and for AC. You dont run >>> a couple hundred miles or a few hours in a work truck, then stop for hours >>> to fuel it up, you stop at the gas station, hit on the toothless broad at >>> the counter, grab your energy drink, look in the shitter mirror at yourself >>> with contempt and get on with your day >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 6:03 PM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I figured the anal beads would be the up sell for you. >>>> >>>> >>>> Why do you think this truck is less capable? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *"Steve Jones" <[email protected]> >>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> >>>> *Sent: *Monday, November 25, 2019 5:56:49 PM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck >>>> >>>> Rotflmao, apple had a product everybody wanted, even if they didnt know >>>> it yet. >>>> I guess i just come from a time before men wore skinny jeans, manbuns >>>> and perfectly tailored lumberjack shirts that stay impeccably clean. Trucks >>>> used to be a thing men used to do man shit. I assume instead of free >>>> floormats these will come with a free set of anal beads since tools are now >>>> more an accessory than a necessity of function. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 5:41 PM Josh Luthman < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Steve let me introduce to this company called Apple. >>>>> >>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 3:46 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> A. Why does musk get a free pass every time he over promises and >>>>>> under delivers? >>>>>> B. Why would anybody with any modicum of testosterone buy an >>>>>> overpriced truck that doesnt have real cargo capacity or the ability to >>>>>> actually haul a load over distance >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 1:46 PM Mathew Howard <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yeah, MPGe is useful for comparing electric vehicles, if nothing >>>>>>> else. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree, I got the impression that the cybertruck is mainly designed >>>>>>> that way for functional reasons. Elon Musk even said that part of the >>>>>>> reason is because they can't stamp the stainless steel. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 11:02 AM Bill Prince <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I agree that the calculus for MPGe is probably not realistic, but >>>>>>>> at least it's something to hang your hat on for now. The latest >>>>>>>> firmware >>>>>>>> for the model 3 comes in at ~~ 140 MPGe, so Tesla is apparently >>>>>>>> figuring >>>>>>>> out how to squeeze more efficiency out of their vehicles. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think one of the reasons for the radical shape of the cybertruck >>>>>>>> is an effort to get some aerodynamics out of a platform that (with >>>>>>>> conventional trucks) is very unfriendly toward aerodynamics. Another >>>>>>>> reason >>>>>>>> might be because the material (stainless steel) is pretty difficult to >>>>>>>> hydro-form. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 11/25/2019 8:53 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Considering the size of it, and the fact that it's mostly made out >>>>>>>> of relatively thick stainless steel, I have a hard time believing they >>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>> get 250 miles out of a 75kwh battery pack. Granted, Tesla has made huge >>>>>>>> improvements in efficiency on the model S over it's lifespan, but 111 >>>>>>>> MPGe >>>>>>>> would be the same as the current Model S, and it seems unlikely >>>>>>>> they'll get >>>>>>>> that much better over the next couple of years. I think a 100kwh >>>>>>>> battery on >>>>>>>> the base model is a lot more likely. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> MPGe isn't exactly an accurate way of comparing the cost of an >>>>>>>> electric vs gas vehicle... my model S is rated at 89 MPGe, but if I >>>>>>>> figure >>>>>>>> out what the actual cost per mile is compared to current gas prices >>>>>>>> here, >>>>>>>> it works out to the equivalent of around 50 MPG. But not too long ago, >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> would've been closer to 70 MPG (and most likely will be again before >>>>>>>> too >>>>>>>> long), and the cost of electricity is way more consistent than gas. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 9:44 AM Bill Prince <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I was scouring the net trying to get a clue about what size the >>>>>>>>> batteries would be on this thing. Only one publication speculated >>>>>>>>> that the >>>>>>>>> base model with 250 mile range (the $39,900 one) would have a ~~ 75KWh >>>>>>>>> battery. Of course it is pure speculation, but that would result in >>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> 111 MPGe. Can't do that with your diesel Silverado. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 11/24/2019 7:36 PM, Robert wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think I figured out the design... Prototype name was the >>>>>>>>> Cyberf117 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 11/24/19 6:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I want one with a Boston Scientific dog in the back. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From:* Steve Jones >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 24, 2019 4:46 PM >>>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tesla production models roaming the streets is scary enough >>>>>>>>> without the nightmare of prototypes creeping through the alleys >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 23, 2019, 10:27 PM Bill Prince <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There may be prototypes roaming the streets as we speak. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 11/23/2019 8:05 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Review says the exterior is all “stabby” but the inside is comfy. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.engadget.com/2019/11/22/tesla-cybertruck-impressions-ride/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Stabby Steve would like it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I was surprise they were taking it on test drives, I had assumed >>>>>>>>>> it was a non functional prototype just for show. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *From:* AF mailto:[email protected] *On Behalf Of *Robert >>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, November 22, 2019 7:58 PM >>>>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Oh, he didn't opt for the cupholder delete option, which comes >>>>>>>>>> with a $4K/cupholder CREDIT... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 11/22/19 4:53 PM, Bill Prince wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I was just going by what Robert said as $8K, and I figured there >>>>>>>>>> were two of them. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 11/22/2019 4:51 PM, Tim Hardy wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Umm, Bill - fake news. Came in my 2016 Cayman GTS for nada… >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 22, 2019, at 7:37 PM, Bill Prince <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yeah. Only $4K each. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 11/22/2019 3:51 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> woah! you can get cupholders in a Porsche these days?! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 3:30 PM Robert Andrews < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Having gone through Porsche ordering hell, 8K gets you cupholders >>>>>>>>>> finally, Sound system? More like 15... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 11/22/2019 01:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > Toyota is super nice when it comes to base models. I got a 4 >>>>>>>>>> cylinder >>>>>>>>>> > Tacoma (should have gotten the v6, it's way too underpowered) >>>>>>>>>> base model >>>>>>>>>> > and it has touchscreen with bluetooth. Power windows/locks/etc. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Porsche on the other hand requires you have something like $8k >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> > options for that feature. Another $2k if you want the >>>>>>>>>> bluetooth to do >>>>>>>>>> > audio as well. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>> > Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>>>>> > Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>>>>> > 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>>>> > Suite 1337 >>>>>>>>>> > Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 3:56 PM Mike Hammett <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > It was mostly a dig at the lowest priced option a >>>>>>>>>> manufacturer makes >>>>>>>>>> > probably is missing a variety of features one is used to. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > ----- >>>>>>>>>> > Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>>>>>> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< >>>>>>>>>> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< >>>>>>>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions >>>>>>>>>> ><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>>>>> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>>>>>> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>< >>>>>>>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>< >>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>>>>> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>>>>>> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>> > *From: *"Josh Luthman" <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>>>>>> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>>>>>> > *Sent: *Friday, November 22, 2019 2:53:33 PM >>>>>>>>>> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Yes Mike, it's a Toyota. Not Pontiac. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>> > Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>>>>> > Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>>>>> > 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>>>> > Suite 1337 >>>>>>>>>> > Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 3:51 PM Mike Hammett < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > Does a $30k truck come with AC? Power windows? Radio? >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > ----- >>>>>>>>>> > Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/ >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< >>>>>>>>>> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< >>>>>>>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions >>>>>>>>>> ><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>>>>> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>>>>>> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>< >>>>>>>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>< >>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>>>>> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>>>>>> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > < >>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>> > *From: *"Matt Hoppes" < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> > <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>>>>>> > *To: *"Mathew Howard" <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> > <mailto:[email protected]>>, "AnimalFarm Microwave >>>>>>>>>> Users >>>>>>>>>> > Group" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>>>>>> > *Sent: *Friday, November 22, 2019 2:49:15 PM >>>>>>>>>> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cybertruck >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > OK... and? Still a far cry from $40 or $50. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > On 11/22/19 3:42 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > > That's $32,780... >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2019, 2:35 PM Matt Hoppes >>>>>>>>>> > > <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> > <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> > > <mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> > <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > That’s the current model. >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > Here’s the bill of sale: >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > image1.jpeg >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > On Nov 22, 2019, at 1:55 PM, Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>> > > <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> > <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> > <mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> > <mailto:[email protected]>>> >>>>>>>>>> > > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > >> That's $36k, 20% more... >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>> > >> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>>>>> > >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>>>>> > >> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>>>> > >> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>>>> > >> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 1:08 PM Matt Hoppes >>>>>>>>>> > >> <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> > <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> > >> <mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> > <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> I’ll get you the bill of sale when I get >>>>>>>>>> back to the >>>>>>>>>> > office. >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> Brand new 2018 Tundra. 100 miles. Never >>>>>>>>>> owned. No issue. >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> Here’s a comparably equipped 2019 for $34k. >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> <image1.png> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> On Nov 22, 2019, at 12:39 PM, Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>> > >> <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> > <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> > >> <mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> > <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >>> You think a truck would have sat on the >>>>>>>>>> lot for a >>>>>>>>>> > year? >>>>>>>>>> > >>> Tundras don't sell well, but I don't think >>>>>>>>>> they sell >>>>>>>>>> > >>> remarkably bad. >>>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>> > >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>>>>> > >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>>>>> > >>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>>>> > >>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>>>> > >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 12:38 PM Robert >>>>>>>>>> > >>> <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> > <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto: >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> > <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>> Last year lot sitter, sure.... >>>>>>>>>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>> On 11/22/19 9:23 AM, Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> I seriously doubt you got a new, >>>>>>>>>> untitled, >>>>>>>>>> > Tundra for >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> $30k, Especially with options. >>>>>>>>>> There's no >>>>>>>>>> > way they're >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> doing a 10%+ discount for you or >>>>>>>>>> anyone else >>>>>>>>>> > with a >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> single quantity purchase. I'll >>>>>>>>>> believe 30k >>>>>>>>>> > when I see >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> the bill of sale. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 10:57 AM Matt >>>>>>>>>> Hoppes >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> > <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> <mailto: >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> > <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> I absolutely know what trucks >>>>>>>>>> cost and >>>>>>>>>> > $50-$60k is >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> way too much. We >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> purchased a brand new Toyota >>>>>>>>>> Tundra two >>>>>>>>>> > years ago >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> for $30k... outfitted >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> well. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> On 11/22/19 10:33 AM, Mike >>>>>>>>>> Hammett wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > To be consistent with my >>>>>>>>>> feelings on >>>>>>>>>> > their semi >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> truck, as long as the >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > performance, specifications, >>>>>>>>>> > reliability, utility >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> are as promised, I >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > care much less about how it >>>>>>>>>> appears. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > That $40k price point is nice, >>>>>>>>>> though >>>>>>>>>> > I'd want at >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> least the $50k to have >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > AWD. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > I've seen people say stuff >>>>>>>>>> like, "OMG, >>>>>>>>>> > that too >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> much money for a truck." >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > Clearly they have no idea what >>>>>>>>>> trucks >>>>>>>>>> > cost. I >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> haven't seen what the >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > electric ATV costs. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > I also wonder what else changes >>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>> > the tiers. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> Adding more motors >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > shouldn't add to the range of >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> > vehicle, so >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> what's happening with the >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > battery, weight, etc. Adding >>>>>>>>>> more batteries >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> shouldn't make it faster, so >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > what's up with the extra motors? >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > I'm more willing to admit I >>>>>>>>>> don't need >>>>>>>>>> > to pull a >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> house with my daily >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > driver because I can always get >>>>>>>>>> > something from the >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> farm. I just want it >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > to be big enough to handle most >>>>>>>>>> things. >>>>>>>>>> > Hell, even >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> the 14k towing would >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > be enough for our Bobcat and >>>>>>>>>> trailer. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > I wonder how trailers work with >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> > EVs... how >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> easy is it to add (or >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > get the option for) gooseneck, >>>>>>>>>> fifth >>>>>>>>>> > wheel, etc. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > I do like the hard, lockable >>>>>>>>>> tonneau >>>>>>>>>> > cover. Maybe >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> Rivian had it >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > available and I just forgot. >>>>>>>>>> Nice place >>>>>>>>>> > to store a >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> bunch of tools for a >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > work truck, though no place to >>>>>>>>>> add a >>>>>>>>>> > ladder rack. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > I was annoyed they didn't have >>>>>>>>>> battery >>>>>>>>>> > specs, but >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> I suppose that could >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > still be fuzzy. Maybe they >>>>>>>>>> don't know if >>>>>>>>>> > they need >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> 100 or 110 kw to meet >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > their advertised performance >>>>>>>>>> numbers. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > Weight would be nice to know as >>>>>>>>>> well. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > I'm not surprised on the >>>>>>>>>> design. All >>>>>>>>>> > else equal, >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> I'd probably prefer the >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > Rivian, but let's see how things >>>>>>>>>> > actually bare >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> out. What's the "mpg" >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > compared to Rivian? I guess >>>>>>>>>> it'd be MPkWh? >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > ----- >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>< >>>>>>>>>> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>< >>>>>>>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions >>>>>>>>>> ><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>>>>>>> > <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>< >>>>>>>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>< >>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > The Brothers WISP >>>>>>>>>> > <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > < >>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > < >>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> > <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> <mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> > <mailto:[email protected]>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave >>>>>>>>>> Users Group" >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> <[email protected] <mailto: >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > *Sent: *Friday, November 22, >>>>>>>>>> 2019 9:25:31 AM >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > *Subject: *[AFMUG] Cybertruck >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > I was expecting to see some >>>>>>>>>> comments >>>>>>>>>> > from this >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> crowd. Was everyone >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> > suitably underwhelmed? Or >>>>>>>>>> running out >>>>>>>>>> > to place >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> your pre-orders? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > ------------------------------ > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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