I am worried that geothermal energy will accelerate earth core cooling causing 
the poles to flip and disrupting all of technology in the process.  Hydro kills 
the salmon.  Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl.  Solar may 
contribute to the coming ice age.  

So I will stick to coal, I feel we need to free up all that sequestered carbon, 
and coal particulates encourage rainfall thus irrigating the earth and 
cleansing the atmosphere all in one shot.

Oh, wait...wrong forum... never mind...

From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 4:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

If I want to pay more for 100% renewable electricity or organic eggs thats my 
business.  Its one thing to have a socialist electrical grid but now you want 
socialist generation as well?   

//Lent?  

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 10:19 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Same in NY, and I have the same complaints.  Same wire, same product, 
  fake competition.

  On 8/21/2019 10:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
  > We have it hear, I thought it was widespread, maybe not.  Transmission is
  > unbundled from generation.
  >
  > I find it annoying.  The alternative power companies are always calling to
  > get you to switch, sometimes with misleading sale tactics.  You hear about
  > people falling for bait-and-switch pricing where they end up paying more for
  > their power.  Also many municipalities put out bids and choose an energy
  > supplier which then applies to all residents (or all businesses) unless they
  > opt out.
  >
  > IMHO it's an unnecessary complication.  It's not like gasoline where they
  > can at least claim to have a better product, electrons are electrons, and
  > the power is blended anyway.  It's not like the power you get was generated
  > by the supplier you chose, or that you  will have less outages or better
  > voltage or something.  It's strictly about price.  Electricity is a
  > commodity.  I don't want the hassle of choosing a power generation supplier
  > each year.  It feels just like choosing a health insurance supplier on the
  > marketplace each year, I look forward to that like a colonoscopy.
  >
  > I think the power companies like ComEd and Ameren are forced to buy solar
  > and wind power anyway from those who choose to generate it, so I'm missing
  > the big benefit.  I seriously doubt this has saved me any money from
  > "competition".
  >
  > As far as the question about being a reseller for one of these power
  > "CLECs", I would avoid it, if only because they are viewed by many people as
  > kind of shady.  Tricksters with robocalls.  Maybe sell CBD oil instead, that
  > seems to be all the rage.  Apparently the remaining video rental places
  > actually exist to sell CBD products.  That must be fun.  Take the kids to
  > rent a VHS tape and they say "look, Daddy, they have gummies, can we get
  > some?"
  >
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 9:26 AM
  > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity
  >
  > They tried to do the CLEC type of thing with power years ago.  Maybe just in
  > California.  Was a disaster.
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: John Osmon
  > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 9:31 PM
  > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity
  >
  > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 04:12:25PM -0400, Matt Hoppes wrote:
  >> Has anyone here looking into becoming a reseller for a wholesale
  >> electric company?
  > At scale, that's effectively what a data center becomes...
  >
  > Never thought about it on bigger scale.
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