Chuck we don't really have unincorporated areas like some states do. The base level of local government is a general law township. All of the state is by default divided into townships. An area can then be "upgraded" to a City, Village or Charter township. But there is no land that is not subject to some local government. The state law (METRO Act) is a mandate for a universal permitting system for ROW access (meaning occupancy, not construction, that's different). Many of the rural townships have no idea about this permitting requirement. We have had to educate them all about why they are required to issue us a permit. It's actually a nice system because it's a shall-issue permit in 45-days, and if they don't reply it's granted by default. Construction permits are handled by the county road comission, or by the city/village in an incorporated area, and they seem to have more leeway about requirements. There are some counties that area very hard to work with, others it's almost a free for all.
On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 1:02 PM Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote: > I would use the footnote from the now defunct perhaps net neutrality that > coined and defined a BIAS provider as a quasi public entity. > Just state you are a BIAS provider as defined by the FCC. Give them a > copy of the 477 and say that the internet is defined as interstate > commerce. Then lay on them the new small cell order. All 160+ pages > printed out. > > Perhaps bury them in enough paperwork and they will cave. Also, how cold > MI requires a municipal permit in unincorporated areas? > > > *From:* Chris Fabien > *Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2019 5:18 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] How to access ROW, permits, poles > > There's lots of variations on this locality dependent. > > For example in MI I need a state-mandated municipal permit to have telecom > infrastructure in the ROW even for an aerial run on someone else's poles. > > Our county had to be satisfied we were a "real public utility" before they > would issue underground permits. This was their own policy they made up as > far as I could tell. Even though the municipal permit specifically allows > "any entity". > > None of this was at all related to a 477 filing. > > On Sat, Jan 26, 2019, 3:49 AM TJ Trout <[email protected] wrote: > >> So reading through the list the consensus is anyone filing a 477 can >> access the row, does this require a city or county permit with plans etc? >> For laying duct, installing a pole or cabinet etc? >> >> What is the process to attach to poles? Just make a request with the pole >> owner? City permits? How do you identify the pole owner? >> >> So if I'm a wisp today and want to be a fisp (haha) tomorrow I just need >> to consider myself a ISP, pull permits with the city or county and start >> digging? Are permits even required to work in the row in most cases? >> >> For poles I'm assuming you make drawings of the route, get an attachment >> agreement with the owner and once make ready is done your good to dangle >> your string? >> >> If it's any consolation I searched the archives for a few hours before >> asking these stupid questions 🤔 >> >> TJ >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > ------------------------------ > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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