& that is the real problem... Corporate Ethics... ubnt? Seems a little lacking... They could have made their case without that part...

On 8/10/18 10:37 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
The last I knew, WISPs were still about half of UBNT's revenue.

The problem doesn't just apply to WISPs. UBNT has now proven that they're willing to sue their customers over things unrelated to lack of payment.



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*From: *"Mathew Howard" <[email protected]>
*To: *"AFMUG" <[email protected]>
*Sent: *Friday, August 10, 2018 12:34:51 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

I would assume that the percentage of sales of these particular products, are mostly going to WISPs. I agree, that it probably won't make a huge dent in their overall sales, but it could very easily be larger than the amount of sales that they lost because of Elevate (which I suspect is very tiny... most people using Elevate were probably moving to ePMP anyway, it just made the process a lot easier). The only way that I can see this making sense is if they felt they had to do it to cover themselves with the FCC.

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 12:15 PM Lewis Bergman <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    I am by no means a fan of ubiquiti but I doubt the impact will be of
    any great consequence to sales.
    I would like to know what percentage of sales go to wisps but I bet
    it isn't all that enormous. Secondly, if you are a fan of them, this
    is probably a cheering squad opportunity.

    On Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 12:01 PM Mike Hammett <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        THAT is the biggest part of the whole situation. Who is going to
        trust Ubiquiti going forward?



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        *From: *"Ben Royer" <[email protected]
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        *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]
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        *Sent: *Friday, August 10, 2018 11:57:52 AM

        *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium

        I could be way wrong, but it seems to me in the court of public
        opinion this will hurt UBNT worse.  I mean, any WISP out there,
        and Disti, using or selling Elevate, in my opinion would be
        pretty upset UBNT is trying to accuse them as
        ‘co-conspirators’.  This is a very, very slippery slope UBNT has
        just tried to push everyone using Elevate down.
        Thank you,
        Ben Royer, Operations Manager
        Royell Communications, Inc.
        *From:* Adam Moffett <mailto:[email protected]>
        *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 11:52 AM
        *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Sues Cambium
        So yeah they are talking about the extra Tx power.  They're also
        claiming copyright, DMCA, RICO, CFA, and software licenses
        violations.
        They also claim mail and wire fraud related to marketing the
        hacked firmware.

        In a nutshell, they refer to Blip and Winncomm as
        "co-conspirators" because they helped promote and distribute
        Elevate.


        On 8/10/2018 12:13 PM, Doug Hass wrote:

            For those of you who want to see it, the complaint from the
            court case is attached.
            On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 11:10 AM Mathew Howard
            <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                The thing I'm wondering about here, is what are they
                suing the WISP for (yes, I'm too lazy to go find the
                documents and read them)?
                On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 10:57 AM Lewis Bergman
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                <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                    My statement still stands.

                    On Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 10:10 AM Faisal Imtiaz
                    <[email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                        Love the armchair discussion, with everyone
                        shooting from the hip, without actually reading
                        the article...
                        ================
                        Ubiquiti sued Illinois-based Cambium on Tuesday,
                        claiming the company is selling firmware that
                        changes the existing firmware on Ubiquiti's
                        wireless equipment so it exceeds Ubiquiti's
                        transmission thresholds, making it no longer
                        compliant with the Federal Communications
                        Commission's rules.
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                        No they are not suing for IP !, they cannot !....
                        They are making an interesting case.....
                        I can also understand why they might be
                        compelled to make such a case ! ( makes a for a
                        very interesting liability responsibility ! )
                        Regards.
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