Hi Josh - thanks a lot for your detailed answer. We'll give the synchronus alternative you outlined a try and decide from there.
When you said "changes of keywords and *URLs* in separate jobs", did you mean to say "changes of keywords and *ads* in separate jobs"? --> yes. Thanks a lot! Much appreciated Dominic Am Donnerstag, 12. März 2015 17:35:49 UTC+1 schrieb Josh Radcliff (AdWords API Team): > > Hi Dominic, > > One important point about *MutateJobService* is that operations submitted > through that service will most likely take longer to complete than those > same operations submitted to the non-job service, e.g., > *AdGroupCriterionService*. The reason for this is that jobs submitted > through *MutateJobService* are queued up and prioritized, so they may not > execute immediately. In contrast, operations submitted to the synchronous > services such as *AdGroupCriterionService* are executed immediately. > > Of course, if you move away from *MutateJobService*, you'll have to > implement your own retry logic for transient errors and rate limit errors, > but if speed is your top priority, this may be worth the extra development > effort. > > I'd recommend trying to use the non-job services for a subset of accounts > to see if that provides a significant performance benefit. > > Regarding grouping operations, my suggestion was to try updating ads and > keywords separately. Grouping by ad group (as recommended in our Best > Practices guide > <https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/guides/bestpractices#group_operations>) > > should be sufficient. When you said "changes of keywords and *URLs* in > separate jobs", did you mean to say "changes of keywords and *ads* in > separate jobs"? > > Thanks, > Josh, AdWords API Team > > On Wednesday, March 11, 2015 at 12:19:11 PM UTC-4, Dominic Asche wrote: >> >> Hi Josh - thanks for quick reply. >> >> >> 1. *Traffic estimation:* >> >> >> - "Number of ads and keywords per ad group" --> ~50 ads and ~10-500+ >> keywords (per client) >> - "the number of ad groups you're processing per account" --> ~3.000+ >> (per client) >> >> *(clients 1-100 / day) * >> - At the moment we are sending one package per adgroup via >> MutateJobService (one package = pause ads, clone ads, change targetURL >> of >> ad related >> - This whole process takes us around 3-5 sec >> - We wait till the job is completed and send the next one >> - This process takes us a lot of time and we assume that >> there might be a conceptual misunderstanding on ourside (as >> updates with >> Google AdWords Editor uploading a CSV is going 100x times >> faster) --> what >> do you think - are we using the API in the way of our conceptual >> approch >> >> - Should we send all changes of all adgroups in one package >> via MutateJob or one package per AdGroup? >> - As you outlined, we should try to submit changes of >> keywords and URLs in separate jobs - also per AdGroup or >> all changes in all AdGroups at once? >> >> >> >> >> 1. *MutateJob / Rate Exceed:* We use a Standard token >> >> >> 1. *Upgraded URLs:* We need to change top and second level domain of >> the targetURL, so upgraded URL is unfortunatelly not applicable for us, i >> think >> >> >> >> >> Thanks for further tips and hints, >> Dominic >> >> >> >> >> >> Am Mittwoch, 11. März 2015 14:40:22 UTC+1 schrieb Josh Radcliff (AdWords >> API Team): >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> A couple of ideas/questions come to mind: >>> >>> 1. Could you give an estimate on a) the number of ads and keywords >>> you are updating per ad group, b) the number of ad groups you're >>> processing >>> per account, and c) the number of accounts? I'd like to get an idea of >>> the >>> order of magnitude of the changes - are we talking about thousands, tens >>> of >>> thousands, or millions of changes? >>> 2. *MutateJobService* is a good approach here, but keep in mind that >>> if you hit any rate limits >>> <https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/guides/rate-limits>, >>> *MutateJobService* will have to wait and retry your requests. If >>> you've hit your quota for the day on the number of operations, that >>> means >>> that your jobs will take a long time to complete because they'll have to >>> wait for the daily quota reset. One way to minimize this would be to >>> request >>> Standard Access >>> >>> <https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/guides/rate-limits#operational_limit_based_on_access_level> >>> >>> for your dev token if you don't already have it. >>> 3. If you are updating both ads and keywords, you may want to try >>> submitting those in separate jobs. >>> 4. Depending on your use case, you may want to consider using Upgraded >>> URLs >>> <https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/guides/upgraded-urls> >>> going >>> forward to avoid editorial reviews for this type of change. For example, >>> if >>> you are making this change because your tracking URLs need to change but >>> the final destination URLs are not changing, upgraded URLs would offer >>> significant benefits. >>> >>> Hope that helps! >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Josh, AdWords API Team >>> >>> On Monday, March 9, 2015 at 2:01:34 PM UTC-4, Dominic Asche wrote: >>>> >>>> We are trying to change the target URLs of our clients ads through the >>>> AdWords API. >>>> Our process is steched like this: >>>> >>>> - We pull via the AdWords API the existing and active AdGroups >>>> - Per AdGroup we do the following: >>>> 1. Pause active text-ads >>>> 2. Clone paused text-ads >>>> 3. Change Display-URLs >>>> 4. Change KeyWords target URLs >>>> 5. Batch all those changes and send them using the >>>> MutateJobService to get the updates applied. >>>> - (Then we redo this until all desired AdGroups have been changes) >>>> >>>> >>>> The reason why I'm asking about a best-practice approach is that our >>>> above described concept *takes a lot of time till it's completed.* >>>> >>>> - Is there a best-practice approach? Can you give me an idea of the >>>> best way to bulk change target URLs? >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for any hint. >>>> >>>> -- -- =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ Also find us on our blog and Google+: https://googleadsdeveloper.blogspot.com/ https://plus.google.com/+GoogleAdsDevelopers/posts =~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AdWords API Forum" group. 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