Hi David, A few years ago I was working for a state health department that had similar sorts of retention issues and was about to retire their main patient admin system as they moved to a new one. In this case, even keeping existing data was not sufficient because different rules applied to different data. Some of it was supposed to be kept literally forever so that historians could get at it, some was required for 80 years so that epidemiological studies could be made, and some had retention lengths that depended on the life of the patient. In opposition to that, privacy legislation required that some data be deleted when there was no longer an operational need for it.
After convincing them that TSM was not an appropriate vehicle, using a reducio ad absurdum argument, I researched a little further. The best method for long term data retention is probably flat XML files. These are well understood and self describing, require no specialist software to read, yet can be searched by machine when this is necessary, There are a number of specialized XML dialects developed for different purposes so a complete re-invention of the wheel is not necessary. I did not persue this to completion. It turned out that there was a section in the organization whose primary job was data retention : mostly paper based, but recognizably moving into data - just think of all those word documents and spreadsheets that also are subject to legal retention requirements, and the problem was passed to them. It did occur to me that there is a business opportunity for consulting on such problems. Just understanding the web of retention standards, which tend to refer to other standards nested three or four levels deep is a huge job, then applying those standards to the data at hand is another in order to write some code to produce the final XML. It would however take the sort of analytical accountant/actuary mindset to successfully do this and that is not my style. I hope that has given you some insight Regards Steve Steven Harris TSM Admin, Sydney Australia David Longo <[EMAIL PROTECTED] TH-FIRST.ORG> To Sent by: "ADSM: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Dist Stor cc Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject .EDU> [ADSM-L] Long Term Data Retention 17/05/2008 01:35 AM Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] .EDU> Wanted to get some thoughts on what people are doing for Long Term Data Retention - specifically on obsolete applications. Say we have an NT 4.0 system that is no longer used. Business owner says we need to keep for 25 years. I know not practical/possible for a number of reasons. Even if we Vmware it, will they support NT 4.0 for 25 years? (Will ANYBODY support Windows 2008 in 25 years?) I know even if they take a DB dump and I Archive it for 25 years, if we retrieve the file 20 years from now, who can decipher it? There are several systems here that people are giving hints that they want to do this. I have hinted that they need to take whatever data and dump it to a text or pdf file and then I archive that. I realize that this may not be that simple for some applications as probably involves more than a simple data dump or whatever. Plus some applications are spread across multiple servers. So, before we have big meeting and I push the text or pdf file idea, what are people doing for retention of data on obsolete servers/applications? Thanks, David Longo ##################################### This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain private, proprietary, or legally privileged information. No privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it, and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Health First reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views or opinions expressed in this message are solely those of the individual sender, except (1) where the message states such views or opinions are on behalf of a particular entity; and (2) the sender is authorized by the entity to give such views or opinions. #####################################