What's a Web Admin Client? Yet another thing to ignore. No, seriously, I agree with Alan and Wanda. In looking at this implementation, I am left to wonder, "What's in this for me?" Sounds like putting it up is quite a bit harder than it is worth. If they want to make something easier, a much more minimalist design would really be better - something like AIX smit.
Good thing I've been ignoring these sluggish, cumbersome web GUI thingamabobs all along - it's making my transition to 5.3 much easier. Linemode never goes out of style! Roger Deschner University of Illinois at Chicago [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Give a man a computer program and you give him a headache, but teach him to program computers and you give him the power to create headaches for others for the rest of his life." -- R. B. Forest On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, Rajesh Oak wrote: >I heard in my last TSM user meet, (last june) that Tivoli was coming out with >a newer ISC Lite version, just for TSM. Does anyone knop when this is going to >see the light of the day? > >Rajesh > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Prather, Wanda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU >> Subject: Re: TSM 5.3 web gui >> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:25:41 -0500 >> >> >> I agree - there are SOME things that were designed really well in the >> AC. >> >> I've been VERY impressed that it finally is much easier for newbies to >> create management classes. The library creation tool is also excellent, >> and (with the exception of one mis-labelled option) the DRM and checkin >> wizards are great for new users. When I'm working with new admins who >> aren't used to the old GUI, they don't seem to have any trouble or >> complaints with the AC conceptually, just with the bugs (like the java >> command line frequently doesn't work, and the screen jumps out of >> position too often). >> >> On the other hand, putting a GOOD DESIGN on top of a BAD STRUCTURE was a >> BAD PLAN. Did any of those "I-WANT" statements specify "I WANT A TSM >> FRONT END THAT REQUIRES WEBSPHERE AND A BIGGER HOST THAN I CURRENTLY >> NEED TO RUN MY TSM SERVER?" >> I Doooooo't think so! It's like trying to stuff a hippo into a >> perambulator. It's like chartering a 60-seat chauferred bus to buy eggs >> at the 7-11. It's like donning a full moon-walk life-support suit to >> clean the litter box. It's like..well, better stop. >> >> And WHERE did this notion of "one consolidated front end" come from? >> Who does it help? In any site with more than 1 staff person, the >> division of labor is that the Storage person uses all the storage >> products, not just the Tivoli products; the Security person uses all >> the security products, not just the Tivoli security products, etc. It >> makes sense to drive all the Tivoli STORAGE products from one >> (non-websphere) interface, but not "everything". >> >> On top of that, the product was clearly released before it was fully >> cooked (telling new TSM users to use the command line for DRM was >> absurd), and the original decision to tell people there would NOT be a >> transition tool was ill-considered, arrogant, and as might be expected, >> disastrous. As are the continuing problems with packaging, >> installation, and documentation. The installation problems and the lack >> of a useful command-line capability seem to be what frustrate >> experienced TSM admins the most, not the AC design. >> >> In fact, I spoke at one point with someone who had participated in a >> customer workshop to preview the ISC design. He said "We all really >> liked the design. But they DIDN"T TELL US it was going to be so >> topheavy and so slow and require Websphere". Another case of how to get >> bad results from surveys... but that's a different soapbox. >> >> At any rate, I don't think the Admin Center itself is the problem. It's >> what lurks beneath... >> >> My opinion and nobody else's.. >> >> Wanda >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >> Allen S. Rout >> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 10:21 AM >> To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU >> Subject: Re: TSM 5.3 web gui >> >> >> >> On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:28:06 -0500, Richard Mochnaczewski >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> >> >> > I had some problems with the setup of the Admin Console. I placed a >> > call with IBM, [...] >> >> >> The ranting about the ISC was legion in Oxford, and clearly a source >> of frustration for the IBMers there; there were many questions or >> "I-want" type statements which were answered with "We're doing that in >> the Admin Console". It's clear that they've placed a lot of effort >> and thought into the AC design. >> >> I'm starting to think that we, TSM admins, are just too varied a bunch >> to have our needs met within the constraints of one such system and >> the ideology that must be imposed with it. Maybe IBM can just ditch >> the GUI idea entirely, and leave the market to the 3rd party tools. >> Or maybe they can ditch the idea that the GUI is 'full featured', and >> deploy something intended to coddle folks who are never going to make >> the effort, and omit the hard bits. >> >> >> >> I'm in sympathy with the desire to web-ify many administrative aspects >> of many IBM tools under a unified umbrella. But the One Ring to Rule >> Them All attitude has well-documented failure modes, and nobody wants >> to be Sauron at the end. >> >> It gets worse when the One Ring is as (pardon me) shaky and >> unmaintainable as Websphere. We've had deep, deep _DEEP_ problems >> with that product. A low point was when a level 2 tech in all >> seriousness told us he wasn't sure the product supported HTTP. >> >> No, really. I can't make that up. Our tech replied that maybe they >> should change the product name to just "Sphere". >> >> I've been through the AIX install of the ISC and AC on a disposable >> LPAR several times now; even with a fresh clean box and support on the >> line, we've not been able to get a working console up, which I find >> more amusing than irritating, any more. >> >> >> >> - Allen S. Rout > >> > > >-- >_______________________________________________ > >Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > >http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 >
