Don't you hate it when management thinks that *any* cost is too much?

How about figuring out what a GFS system would cost in tapes to back up the same as 
you do now.
Say you have a 90 day retention, that would cost say 10 daily copies + 3 weekly ones + 
4 monthies or 17 full copies of the active data

You should  find that TSM is more economical with two copies than GFS is with one.

Point this out to the Pointy Haired manager.

If that doesn't work, then point out how backups to /dev/null run so much faster and 
use even less tape :)

Regards

Steve Harris
AIX and TSM Admin
Queensland Health, Brisbane Australia


>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 19/09/2003 3:05:06 >>>
A "little" off the subject, and I already heard Richard Simms view on not having a 
second copy...  but what are most shops doing with respect to a second copy.
I'm in a pretty large shop and upper management, in a cost savings effort, wants us to 
turn off the creation of a second tape copy.  I'm not too comfortable with the idea.  
What are "your" thoughts?

-----Original Message-----
From: Coats, Jack [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 12:38 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: Re: Saving data on a defective cartridge


Try doing a move data to get the data off of the tape.  If I find I am
starting to have problems I usually do a:

        update vol VOLUMENAME acc=reado
        move data VOLUMENAME

This should move all data that is recoverable from the volume to another
volume in the same storage pool.  I then eject the offending volume and
check it for apparent physical issues.  Then the part I hate:

        delete vol VOLUMENAME discarddata=yes

Sometimes I am able to re-label the volume and use it again.  But
typically it gets moved to a less critical use, returned to the vendor
for a new tape [my preferred method], or degaused and distroyed by
a certified vendor [least preferred, paying to have it thrown away].

If anyone has a better method, please let me know! ... JC

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerhard Rentschler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 11:24 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: Re: Saving data on a defective cartridge


Hello,
I forgot to mention that because of lack of resources I can't afford a
copypool for the backup files. I have one for the archives.
Best regards
Gerhard

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Regional Computing Center     tel.   ++49/711/685 5806
University of Stuttgart       fax:   ++49/711/682357
Allmandring 30a
D 70550
Stuttgart
Germany



> -----Original Message-----
> From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> Juan Manuel Lopez Azanon
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 6:02 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Subject: Re: Saving data on a defective cartridge
>
>
> Disaster recovery management: Restore it from outside volumes from copy
> stgpool
>



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