I feel quite fortunate,
At our site, which is a pension fund, insurance and morgage supplier, we only backup servers. The users are required to store the data they want backupped, on the fileservers. We also have an SOE on all the client stations in the company. That would be about 6000 desktops. If the desktop is corrupted, the user support guy comes along, puts a flop in the drive, takes a 30 minute coffeebreak or something, and leaves. The desktop is as good as new. All the data on it will be lost. Company policy. I like it that way. I don't have to worry about backing up the desktops. The servers are tough enough. Our serverpark consists of 140 NT boxes, 50 Aix and 15 Solaris boxes. About 80 NT boxes are fileservers, some 20 printservers ant the rest are servers running business applications. Which is not such a good idea, if you ask me. Some of the apps our company runs, require at least 3 NT boxes to run properly. Almost all the NT boxes and all Solaris boxes are backupped daily (inc of course). On the AIX we have many Oracle instances wich are archived at a daily basis. This all results in an 26GB database, holding 30+ milion files. Physical occupancy is 5.4 TB, according to the occupancy table. This is handled by a single TSM server running on an IBM H80 (RS/6000) with all its diskpools and database volumes on a shark (ESS). We have a very high expiration rate, about 60% of the entire site each day. So, to go along with Kelly, our data moves around a lot. We reclaim our ass off sort of speak. Thank God for the 3494 libraries. Note. In our country, like Eric van Loon the Netherlands, i have never seen TSM advertisements or marketing. Not even in the business literature. Veritas and Commvault with the Galaxy product is gaining market over here..... Tivoli should watch its back. Or it will loose to much market due to lack of sales marketing. For what it's worth. Ilja G. Coolen _____ ABP / USZO CIS / BS / TB / Storage Management Telefoon : +31(0)45 579 7938 Fax : +31(0)45 579 3990 Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Intranet : Storage Web <http://intranet/cis_bstb/html_content/sm/index_sm.htm> _____ - Everybody has a photographic memory, some just don't have film. - -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Seay, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Verzonden: donderdag 14 februari 2002 5:49 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: PC Magazine Enterprise Backup Article - NO MENTION OF Yeah, the university environment has the "mine" attitude at the desktop level. That is just a fact of life. We need those people to educate our future. But, if they would just spend 1 minute of discussion with the students that corporate discipline and university creativity are separate and unrelated, they would be 2 years ahead of the game before they send out their resume. The first thing we look for in selecting candidates is discipline. We do not need, not invented here types. We need creativity, discipline, and control. We answer to stockholders and auditors. If Microsoft and the UNIX software vendors built this discipline into the design of their products we would not worry about the software being mixed with the data. I would bet that your desktop "my image" issue would go away if you could use a common image on the restore that integrates their data as well as their preferences so they have no idea a new image was used. If they say they are installing their own stuff and it does not match then the technology to prevent duplicate saves is of no use anyway. I guarantee you if we tell Bill Gates we will buy it if he builds it, he will build it and sell it to us. Same with the UNIX software vendors. Might I suggest that a OS design forum for the vendors to discuss how to take us down that path might be in their best interest just because we will buy it. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen A. Cochran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PC Magazine Enterprise Backup Article - NO MENTION OF On Wednesday, February 13, 2002, at 10:48 PM, Kelly Lipp wrote: > Right on. One would never back that stuff up in the first place so > what difference does having that feature make? Well, you'd be supprised how many people do back things like that up. I'm not saying I'm advocating it, but it happens. They want their entire hard drive backed up dammit, and that's what they'll get if they scream long enough. The proposal I've recommended is central document storage on some sort of SAN/NAS, and the backups are happening locally. Much better in my mind, but we have a battle to fight to get there. Steve Cochran Dartmouth College
