Hi
If Windows is everything UNIX would like to be, how come Windows has something called a blue screen? Haven't the UNIX programmers had the time to develop this yet?
And, on Windows, there's a new security patch each day. Is this just to tighten security, or is it bugs? UNIX doesn't have something called Windows update. Is this to ease up the way you have to update the servers each day?
UNIX has been here since 1960:s. Windows has been here since 1994(if you don't count Windows 286, which I don't).
Somehow, I think some people are just to in love with GUI and wizards. This is somethings that doesn't counter when there's a real disaster, Then you want high performance and reliability.
Best Regards
Daniel Sparrman
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Well this is not the case Daniel. I do have Unix experience. With Sun's
version of Unix before it became Solaris, SunOS, with SCO Unix, with DEC
Ultrix and another company who's no longer in business Convergent. I don't
remember what they called it. I've used X-Terminals on my desktop before
PC's became vogue. Shoot I even modified DEC's install script to support
third party drives with Ultrix. Windows is everything Unix should be, easy
to use, powerful... I think many so called 'Unix specialists' are just
jealous that mom and pop from down the street can setup Windows in an
afternoon and do everything that the specialists took 3 days to get running
on Unix.
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Normally, this opinion is because you don't have any experience using UNIX.
If you we're a unix specialist, what would you prefer? NT or UNIX?
The performance gain using UNIX vs NT is not that high when using a small
amount of clients.
However, using a large amount of clients, over 100, gains a lot of
performance.
At the customer I earlier described, we had to use an NT server temporary,
because there was a slight delay in the delivery of the UNIX machine.
The NT machine could backup machines in the morning, while users were
working.
If I were to backup a 100 clients in morning using the UNIX machine,
everything else would stop, because the UNIX machine has a lot higher
throughput.
The customer had a T/R bridge, and when we started backing up with the UNIX
machine, we got the comment from the network guy that the bridge had never
been so highly utilized.
Best Regards
Daniel Sparrman
PS This question has been on the ADSM.ORG list before. Which operating
system you choose to use is normally based on what knowledge you have.
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If I had a choice between unix and nt I would choose nt every time. It's
much easier to use and the much ballyhooed performance gained by using unix
is not that great.
Mark
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The cost of an HP LXr8500 with the configuration descripted shouldn't be
much lower than a UNIX box with comparable performance.
For example and IBM P-Series 610 with PowerPC processors running at 450Mhz
would require 2 processor card to be comparable to
and 8-way HP intel machine.
So, please don't say that a UNIX box is MUCH more expensive.
What you have done is to maximize an intel machine. If you were to maximize
and UNIX box, it could probably handle as least 10 times the amount of
clients. And, then it would be much more expensive.
But that isn't what we're talking about.
We have a single processor machine running 180 servers, with about
500-600GB of incremental data each night.
This machine is half asleep when running backups. Thats the difference in
performance. Everybody knows, that if you put an intel machine against a
UNIX machine and compare I/O performance, the UNIX machine will outrun the
intel box without any problems.
And, almost all work that a TSM servers is doing, is related to I/O (disk
transactions, db transactions, migration and so on...).
Best Regards
Daniel Sparrman
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I do on Win2K Box :
More than 650 Completed backup Win9x, NT, 2K Clients backup / days
More than 80 NT/ 20 Unix Completed Backup / days
10 Exchange Servers
Volume by day 100-300 GB
It works fine used less than 50% CPU at maximum.
Server : HP LXr8500 8x PIII 700 2MB, 4GB Ram, 24x18GB Ultra3 Raid 5 Disk,
1Gb/s NetCard.
Library : STKL700, 6xLTO Ultrium.
The main advantage of Win2K Platfom is the cost of the Hardware comparing
to
SUN or AIX box.
Salutations / Best Regards
g GE Medical Systems
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Hi,
from what i learned by myself and from couple of tsm users in our area, the
aix implementation is even more stable and scalable comparing to nt.
TSM itself on nt is as stable as nt itself,
if you are happy with nt you will likely be happy with tsm/nt as well. I am
just setting-up new nt/tsm box, mainly because our know-how in unix is
small.
But if my requirements were harder I would swap to aix and buy aix know-how
along with the product. For example, a neighbour company with x-terbytes of
backup data and ATM backbone could double their tcp-ip throughput by
swapping to aix, inspite of their perfect NT know how and weeks of tuning
and comparable HW used for both NT and AIX. But I do not need that, so I
stay with NT.
regards
Juraj
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We are considering installing TSM server, and are being 'encouraged' to run
it on AIX but are a little cold to the idea. We have more experience
supporting Windows 2000.
Does anyone have any feedback on the stability or performance of TSM server
running on Windows?
Feel free to mail directly if you have any information that you willing to
share but are uncomfortable putting on the list.
Thanks
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