Let try to define it further - what do you (or "Tivoli" you have contacted) mean of "single hardware platform" ? For me this means type of hardware, i.e. IBM RS/6000, HP9000, PC, etc. I do not believe that buying enough points for a server and three MgSysLAN licenses will allow me to define nodes and use the client on bunch of PCs with Windows&Linux and all HP9000s + RS/6000s. Or having two clients RS/6000 and one of them through processor upgrade becomes pSeries I should be forced to get more points for this second "platform". So probably this is not a "platform" but "box" or "machine". However this raises the question of many *real* nodes within one box. I already presented my opinion in answer to your (Bill Mansfield) post on the thread "Licensing MS SQL cluster - managed system for LAN/SAN and TDP licenses?" on 19.11.2001: "How can we distinguish between two nodes on two machines, two nodes on the same OS and two nodes on different OS images with the same box (HP SuperDome or IBM eServer pSeries 690 for example)? Or should we consider whole IBM SP(2) cluster as a single system with multiple nodes registered?" Unfortunately I do not know *OFFICIAL* Tivoli contact to ask licensing questions for my country. In the thread mentioned above we already got *unofficial* (any opinion presented here from IBM/Tivoli people does not bind the company and is just informative) answer from Del Hoobler confirming my guess - for two "boxes" in MSCS cluster we need three managed system licenses. Two for the local files on each box and third for the cluster resourses jumping from box to box. So my personal opinion is that we need license for *EACH* defined node. If I want to define two nodes for single box I am supposed to be ready to pay for this. For example on my PC I have installed OS/2, Linux and Windows but I had to pay licenses for both OS/2 and Windows (God save Linus).
Zlatko Krastev IT Consultant Bill Mansfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 15.01.2002 22:53:29 Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: What qualifies as an in use license? Yes, the TSM licensing is anything but clear. I can't speak to the client expiration issue, but I've looked very hard into the licensing aspects. Here's a bit of what it says in the announcement letter for the USA value-based program: (http://www2.ibmlink.ibm.com/cgi-bin/master?xh=JCvY43nNwaCFgG1USenGnN9332&request=announcements&parms=H%5f200%2d245&xhi=announcements%5e&xfr=Nhttp://www2.ibmlink.ibm.com/cgi-bin/master?xh=JCvY43nNwaCFgG1USenGnN9332&request=announcements&parms=H%5f200%2d245&xhi=announcements%5e&xfr=N) * One MANAGED SYSTEM FOR LAN feature is required for each managed system that will move data to and from storage over a LAN. * One MANAGED SYSTEM FOR SAN feature is required for each managed system that will move data to and from storage over a SAN. * A managed system that moves data to and from storage, both on a LAN and on a SAN, requires only the Managed System for SAN feature. I have verified with Tivoli that a managed system is a single hardware platform regardless of how many nodes TSM has defined for the box. So you need either a MGSYSLAN or a MGSYSSAN license for every physical machine that will be sending data. Not for each node registered to TSM. Essentially this means that the license feature built into TSM is useless for actually managing your license usage. The TDPs only require their own specific licenses, even if they generate extra nodes. Their data movement is covered by the MGSYSLAN license (or MGSYSSAN if LANFree is required). This may be different in other parts of the world, but don't trust your reseller to get it right, call Tivoli directly to verify your configuration. William Mansfield Senior Consultant Solution Technology, Inc Daniel Sparrman <daniel.sparrman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] @EXIST.SE> cc: Sent by: "ADSM: Subject: Re: What qualifies as an in use license? Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] T.EDU> 01/15/2002 02:20 PM Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" Hi There seems to be a lot of confusion about licensing in TSM. According to Wanda Prather, license for each client expires 30 days after the clients last connection. According to some other, clients not in use don't require a client license. I've been looking in to this, and according to the License Agreement, each registred client need and "Tivoli Storage Manager Managed Systems for LAN" client. This means that each file client needs a license, each TDP need a client, and according to internal sources on Tivoli, each Managed Systems for SAN require a Managed systems for LAN. Special requirements have been issued from Tivoli concering the use of Gresham EDT concerning licensing. My suggestion is to here with your local Tivoli sales/dealer on how to use/agree the licensing terms. Best Regards Daniel Sparrman ----------------------------------- Daniel Sparrman Exist i Stockholm AB Bergkällavägen 31D 192 79 SOLLENTUNA Växel: 08 - 754 98 00 Mobil: 070 - 399 27 51 Tom Melton <Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2002-01-15 11:36 EST Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: bcc: Subject: Re: What qualifies as an in use license? It was my understanding that a "defined" client on the server would fall from the "in-use" number after 30 days. IE, 30 days of inactivity and the in-use count decrements. Tom Melton Emory HealthCare >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/15/02 10:44AM >>> Hi Yes, every node registred on the server counts as one client license. Also, if you use separate nodenames for Tivoli Data Protection clients, everyone will count as 1 Managed System LAN. I'm not sure, but I also think that every Managed System SAN counts as one managed systems lan also. Best Regards Daniel Sparrman ----------------------------------- Daniel Sparrman Exist i Stockholm AB Bergkällavägen 31D 192 79 SOLLENTUNA Växel: 08 - 754 98 00 Mobil: 070 - 399 27 51 Dylan Ryback <dryback@HOME To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .COM> cc: Sent by: Subject: What qualifies as an in use license? "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] RIST.EDU> 2002-01-15 16:45 Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" I'm in the midst of doing a cleanup job on our TSM servers. When I do a 'q license', one of the results is: Number of Managed System for LAN in use: 107 My question is, what counts as 'in use'? For example, there are a bunch of nodes that are defined and are no longer used or associated with any schedules. Do these count as 'in use', and if so, should I export the node out of the db and delete it to get the license counts down? One other question: anyone got a query to figure out which nodes are NOT associated with a schedule. This would help me identify nodes that are candidates for export. Many thanks, Dylan
