I agree with Remco 100%. If you can stay away from NDMP. We have a large Isilon environment which we backup with TSM/NDMP. It run very long, is absolutely horrific for restores. We are making the switch over to Isilon snapshots and replication both native to the Isilon. These solutions outperform TSM/NDMP tenfold.
JoeA Joseph Abbott, Tivoli Storage Manager Architect CDP Partners Healthcare AR- 12W60.03 ITS Server & Storage Engineering Office: 857 -282-3681| Cell:617-633-8471 | Pager: 36364 Need assistance for a non-urgent issue? Open a Service Desk ticket online. -----Original Message----- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Remco Post Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 4:17 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] How to backup ISILON storage > On 7 Feb 2018, at 21:26, Zoltan Forray <zfor...@vcu.edu> wrote: > > As you recall, we have been trying to figure out an alternative method > to backing up DFS mounted ISILON storage since the current method of > 80+ separate nodes accessed via the Web interface of the BA client is > going away. Plus the backups are taking soooooo long, we have to > determine a better way. > > So, doing some digging, one solution that seems to be touted is using > NDMP. > > We have absolutely zero experience with NDMP and are looking for some > guidance / cookbook / real-world experiences on how we would use NDMP > to backup ISILON storage (>400TB and hundreds of millions of files) > and make it accessible so someone from a help-desk like environment > could handle file-level restores! I don’t like TSM NDMP one bit, and I guess it’s no worse than any of the other backup vendors’ implementations, because NDMP is just what it is, and that is not much. I would seriously look into some form of async replication native to ISILON, something like netapp's snapvault, first. Yes that requires a a huge pile of disk just for backup, but it will probably be worth it. Even if the investment is quite high. Don’t forget with TSM terabyte licenses you’ll be paying a lot (a huge lot!) to IBM for your NDMP backups. You can basically NDMP via LAN and via SAN. The latter has the disadvantage that the TSM server running the backups must be the library manager for those tape drives. I would have loved to see that IBM would make NDMP and Library Managers play nice, but alas… NDMP via LAN allows you to use normal disk and tape based storage pools, via SAN you’ll need to create a separate tape pool in the right format (ndmpdump). Also, you can’t run copy storage pool on those is you use SAN. On 8.1.2 and higher (if you dare go there) you could even use directory containers. The current customer has NAS systems which share directories (called virtual volumes) rather than separate file systems. To be able to make a more granular backup/restore they use virtualfsmappings in TSM. This works surprisingly well. Now a huge NAS file system becomes (usually) a far more manageable directory. So not 200 TB in one huge lump to backup, but mostly directories of under 1 TB. The backups are slow, but on average manageable. We have a few exceptions that we backup via the share because they are just too big to manage via NDMP. Problem with NDMP is that if (with TSM 8.1) a single transaction spans more than 90% of the active log, the transaction gets killed by TSM. This is on average a good thing, but that makes the combination of a busy TSM server with loads of files and NDMP not a happy one, at least not for those few huge virtual volumes. So basically: - look at other solutions (snapvault or whatever it’s called for your NAS) - then again look at those solutions - virtualfsmappings might make things more manageable if you decide to go with TSM anyway - SAN and LAN both have disadvantages, neither one is perfect - maybe a dedicated TSM instance to avoid issues with long running ndmp dumps > > Or if NDMP is the wrong direction, please tell us so. > -- > *Zoltan Forray* > Spectrum Protect (p.k.a. TSM) Software & Hardware Administrator Xymon > Monitor Administrator VMware Administrator Virginia Commonwealth > University UCC/Office of Technology Services www.ucc.vcu.edu > zfor...@vcu.edu - 804-828-4807 Don't be a phishing victim - VCU and > other reputable organizations will never use email to request that you > reply with your password, social security number or confidential > personal information. For more details visit http://phishing.vcu.edu/ -- Met vriendelijke groeten/Kind Regards, Remco Post r.p...@plcs.nl +31 6 248 21 622 The information in this e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you believe this e-mail was sent to you in error and the e-mail contains patient information, please contact the Partners Compliance HelpLine at http://www.partners.org/complianceline . If the e-mail was sent to you in error but does not contain patient information, please contact the sender and properly dispose of the e-mail.
