Del, Glad to here there should be no issue in upgrading the clients to 7.1.8 or 8.1.2 before the servers are upgraded.
So, what can I expect when I upgrade the servers to 7.1.8 / 8.1.2/4 as for the certificates? I realize I have to run the utility to convert the server cert.kdb file to cert256.arm (eventhough I have never used SSL on any of my TSM servers, the file exists and I had this problem on my test server when I upgraded it to 8.1.3). Will the clients that upgraded to >=7.1.8 properly/automatically exchange the required certs once the client realizes it is talking to a server with the right "language" or will that be a manual thing? As most folks, I plan to keep SESSIONSECURITY TRANSITIONAL as long as possible, easing into it as gradually as possible..... But if upgrading to >=7.1.8 is going to require manual updates to get the certs right, I would rather hold off. Right now it is manageable..... On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Del Hoobler <hoob...@us.ibm.com> wrote: > Hi Zoltan, > > It's fine to upgrade the clients first... you won't see warnings because > the clients know they are talking to a back-level server and will speak > the right "language". The best practice is to upgrade the servers first so > all the certificates are there and it will make sure the security issues > are addressed, but it is not required. > > We understand the gap with regards to the web interface. We are evaluating > possible ways forward for that. > > > Del > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> wrote on 01/04/2018 > 09:16:25 AM: > > > From: Zoltan Forray <zfor...@vcu.edu> > > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > > Date: 01/04/2018 09:17 AM > > Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 7.1.8.x ??? (on the client end only) > > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> > > > > Del, > > > > Thanks for the info. Some of it is useful and I have seen most of it. > > > > I have a question about the reverse i.e. clients who have upgraded to > > 8.1.2+ and 7.1.8. There was this dire warning in the 8.1.2 upgrade > docs > > about upgrading your servers before installing 8.1.2 clients or your > > backups would fail. I downloaded all of the latest clients and > eventhough > > I sent an email to my co-workers about *NOT* using 8.1.2/7.1.8, some > > ignored me and installed 8.1.2 (and then 7.1.8) with no issues I am > aware > > of (remember all of my servers are RHEL 7.1.7.300). > > > > At what point do these dire warnings kick-in? Is it safe to deploy > 7.1.8 / > > 8.1.2 (holding off on 8.1.4) throughout my complex without fears of > > mass-destruction? > > > > Plus the issue of the "BA web interface" going away (if I understand > this > > correctly) is a major problem for us. Unless of course I am completely > > misunderstanding and it is only the web Administrator interface (which > we > > don't use). > > > > On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 7:45 AM, Del Hoobler <hoob...@us.ibm.com> wrote: > > > > > Here are a few links that might help: > > > > > > https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSEQVQ_8.1. > > > 2/srv.install/r_srv_knowsec-aix.html > > > > > > http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg22004844 > > > > > > > > > > > > Del > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> wrote on 01/04/2018 > > > 03:37:53 AM: > > > > > > > From: "Loon, Eric van (ITOPT3) - KLM" <eric-van.l...@klm.com> > > > > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > > > > Date: 01/04/2018 03:40 AM > > > > Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 7.1.8.x ??? (on the client end > only) > > > > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU> > > > > > > > > I too read all the previous posts, but I still don't know what to > > > > do. Your mail also indicates that your upgrade planning is based on > > > > several assumptions and I think it is really time for IBM to jump in > > > > here. I think someone from development should explain a little bit > > > > about the new security design and tell us how we should upgrade > > > > without impact. Which components in which order to which recommended > > > level. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Eric van Loon > > > > Air France/KLM Storage Engineering > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On > > > > Behalf Of Deschner, Roger Douglas > > > > Sent: donderdag 4 januari 2018 0:14 > > > > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > > > > Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 7.1.8.x ??? (on the client end > only) > > > > > > > > Test! Test! Test! Search this forum for previous posts about this. > > > > There are a bunch of gotchas. Perhaps one of the most severe is what > > > > happens to administrator IDS. Create some dummy admin IDS to use in > > > > testing, because you can permanently disable your own admin ID if > > > > you're not careful. We also know there will be library sharing > gotchas. > > > > > > > > We're actually going to do the backup servers first - after thorough > > > > testing. We think we can minimize the risk to things like admin IDS > > > > if we upgrade the servers with NO clients yet on 7.1.8. I think that > > > > having 7.1.8 clients around will greatly complicate the process of > > > > upgrading the servers, especially if any of those 7.1.8 clients are > > > > the desktop workstations used by you and your coworkers. It's > > > > possible that when you do eventually upgrade your servers to 7.1.8, > > > > you'll have to backtrack to each client and manually install new SSL > > > > keys, on all client systems, all at once. I hope that cat-herding > > > > nightmare can be avoided by upgrading servers first, which will then > > > > manage key distribution among clients more gracefully, as they > > > > upgrade to 7.1.8 one at a time. If I'm wrong about any of this, > > > > please chime in. > > > > > > > > This thing has a big effect. Careful testing is necessary. > > > > > > > > Roger Deschner > > > > University of Illinois at Chicago > > > > "I have not lost my mind - it is backed up on tape somewhere." > > > > ________________________________________ > > > > From: Skylar Thompson <skyl...@u.washington.edu> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2018 16:19 > > > > Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 7.1.8.x ??? (on the client end > only) > > > > > > > > Content preview: I believe the incompatibility arises if you set > > > > SESSIONSECURITY > > > > to STRICT for your nodes. The default is TRANSITIONAL so you > > > > should be fine; > > > > IIRC the only communication problems we had when upgrading our > > > servers to > > > > v7.1.8 was with library sharing. [...] > > > > > > > > Content analysis details: (0.6 points, 5.0 required) > > > > > > > > pts rule name description > > > > ---- ---------------------- > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > 0.7 SPF_NEUTRAL SPF: sender does not match SPF record > > > (neutral) > > > > -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover > > > relay > > > > domain > > > > X-Barracuda-Connect: mx.gs.washington.edu[128.208.8.134] > > > > X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1514931575 > > > > X-Barracuda-Encrypted: ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 > > > > X-Barracuda-URL: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url? > > > > u=https-3A__148.100.49. > > > > 28-3A443_cgi-2Dmod_mark.cgi&d=DwIFAg&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx- > > > > > > > siA1ZOg&r=0hq2JX5c3TEZNriHEs7Zf7HrkY2fNtONOrEOM8Txvk8&m= > > > 529NKbiDtCmhOp63H3nZmM0Pnv- > > > > V1fHyDWeSXJ-s-1I&s=wL7qg-bC6229Rs0MHKXxo50WnAcsl_tyXg8N0DW_oQA&e= > > > > X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at marist.edu > > > > X-Barracuda-Scan-Msg-Size: 3241 > > > > X-Barracuda-BRTS-Status: 1 > > > > X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.00 > > > > X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.00 using global scores of > > > > TAG_LEVEL=3.5 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=5.5 tests= > > > > X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.3.46484 > > > > Rule breakdown below > > > > pts rule name description > > > > ---- ---------------------- > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > I believe the incompatibility arises if you set SESSIONSECURITY to > > > > STRICT for your nodes. The default is TRANSITIONAL so you should be > > > > fine; IIRC the only communication problems we had when upgrading our > > > > servers to v7.1.8 was with library sharing. > > > > > > > > That said, v7.1.8 was a huge change so I would test it if possible > > > first. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 05:12:44PM -0500, Tom Alverson wrote: > > > > > Thanks for that link, I am more worried about any "gotcha's" > caused by > > > > > > > > upgrading the client to 7.1.8 or 8.1.2 before the storage servers > get > > > > > upgraded (and start using the new authentication). What I had > not > > > > > realized until I saw the chart is that the new clients are NOT > > > > > backward compatible with old storage servers (which doesn't really > > > > > affect me since we have those all at 7.1.7.2 now). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *IBM SPECTRUM PROTECT CLIENT SUPPORT* > > > > > > > > > > includes the Backup-Archive, API, UNIX HSM, and Web clients that > are > > > > > compatible with, and currently supported with, IBM Spectrum > Protect > > > > > Servers and Storage Agents. > > > > > *IBM Spectrum Protect* > > > > > *Client Version* > > > > > *Supported IBM Spectrum Protect* > > > > > *Server and Storage Agent Versions* > > > > > 8.1.2 > > > > > 8.1, 7.1 > > > > > 8.1.0 > > > > > 8.1, 7.1, 6.3.x 1 > > > > > 7.1.8 > > > > > 8.1, 7.1 > > > > > 7.1 > > > > > 8.1, 7.1, 6.3.x 1 > > > > > 6.4 1 > > > > > 8.1, 7.1, 6.3.x 1 > > > > > 6.3 1, 2 > > > > > 8.1, 7.1, 6.3.x 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 4:42 PM, Skylar Thompson > > > > > <skyl...@u.washington.edu> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > There's pretty wide version compatibility between clients and > > > > > > servers; we didn't go v7 server-side until pretty recently but > have > > > > > > been running the v7 client for a while. IBM has a matrix > published > > > here: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21053218 > > > > > > > > > > > > For basic backups and restores I think you can deviate even > more, > > > > > > but obviously you won't get support. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 03:14:24PM -0500, Tom Alverson wrote: > > > > > > > Our TSM storage servers were all upgraded last year to 7.1.7.2 > > > > > > > (before > > > > > > this > > > > > > > new security update came out). Now I am wondering if I > should > > > start > > > > > > using > > > > > > > the updated client or not? If the servers stay at 7.1.7.2 > for > > > now is > > > > > > > there any harm in using the newer client? I would have to use > > > > > > > 7.1.8.0 on anything older than 2012. I saw some email traffic > > > > > > > earlier that once you use the new authentication mode on a > node > > > > > > > you can't go back? 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