Still trying to get rid of outdated informix onbar log backups. While I am trying to get expire to work I have run out of tapes. Something in the last set of mails clicked an idea--If I read the mgmt class correctly only onbar log backups should be on the tapes in question, so I may be able to just delete volume discarddate=yes to release the tapes back to the scratch pool. How can I find out what tapes the logs are on? How can I verify that the only thing on the tapes Thanks for your help! -Kai. "Space isn't remote at all. It's only an hour's drive away if your car could go straight upwards." -- Fred Hoyle, Astronomer, mathematician, writer (1915- ) -- Kai Hintze currently using the mailer [EMAIL PROTECTED]