Got it - thanks for the clarification (now I just need to start updating
IPNNI docs ;)

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Richard Barnes <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Mary Barnes <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> My comments below [MB].
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mary
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Andrew Ayer <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 13:28:08 -0500
>>> Daniel McCarney <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> > >
>>> > > The canonical example for me here is SSLMate [1], which takes a CSR
>>> > > up front, I'm told because the back-ends it uses require it.
>>> > > Andrew Ayer, who maintains SSLMate, is on this list, and might be
>>> > > able to provide further insight.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > SSLMate/Andrew are the reseller I recall confirming could accommodate
>>> > #342 without needing a CSR in new-order. I hope Andrew can clarify if
>>> > #I'm
>>> > remembering incorrectly.
>>>
>>> You are remembering correctly.
>>>
>>> To recap what I said off-list, removing the CSR from new-order wouldn't
>>> work if a CA wanted to extend ACME to add non-standard challenges that
>>> were derived from the CSR.  If a CA is only going to use the standard
>>> challenges, then I don't see a problem.  SSLMate isn't going to use
>>> non-standard challenges, so I'm fine moving the CSR to finalize and
>>> removing it from new-order.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>
>> [MB] With what we have in place right now for SHAKEN (based on STIR), we
>> are using non-standard challenges based on the TNAuthList in the CSR.  This
>> may change with the development of the generic token challenge mechanism,
>> but this is another example of the need for this mechanism.[/MB]
>>
>
> It's perfectly fine to use non-standard challenges, as long as they can be
> derived from the "identifiers" array added in #342.  It's only if you
> needed some other component of the CSR (e.g., the public key) in the
> challenge that you would have an issue.
>
> --Richard
>
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