*Overstepping the Technical Boundaries.* As it was pointed out during
the BoF, the proposed initiative does not address any technical issue,
but, instead, is pushing a specific BUSINESS model. I found very
inappropriate the examples of "I could not get my certificates in 45
minutes.." as this is a NON argument.
With all due respect to Cullen, I agree:-) I think it's used as a
humorous anecdote basically and I've seen that done in quite a few
contexts in the IETF. But that one non-argument was raised is not
a procedural issue for me.
I agree with Max that this should be a non-argument, and happy to hear
that you agree Stephen


For me ACME is purely about usability, so Cullen's anecdote is actually the only thing that matters. As a user, I want to be able to get a server certificate for a cloud server within seconds, and with no manual intervention. And if that breaks someone's business model, so be it.

And by the way, ACME with *email* certs could make S/MIME viable again, for those of us still using mail clients.

Thanks,
        Yaron

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