this being plan 9, one could build a phone with no "UI" to start, rcpu
into it, and operate the modem. i.e. develop some aspects of the ui on
your laptop.

I wonder if that would be easier.

On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 12:18 PM adventures in9 <adventures...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sirjojri had some interface ideas he wanted to use the Pinephone as a
> platform to test on.
>
> When we were discussing it over on the 9fans discord, it was
> interesting to see other people chime in with what they considered
> essential for an interface to be "Plan 9".  Like using the 3 side
> buttons to do mouse chording for cut/paste.  Some other interesting
> ideas to come up were how exposing the phone's hardware as 9P onto a
> local grid could be used.  Like making phone calls using the mic and
> speakers of a laptop bound together with the cell radio of the phone.
> Or reading and writing SMS texts on a pc and sending them through a
> file interface on the phone mounted over a local network.
>
> On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 11:28 AM Kurt H Maier via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 20, 2025 at 10:38:42PM -0500, o...@eigenstate.org wrote:
> > > Quoth Kurt H Maier via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>:
> > > >
> > > > The problem with the original Hellaphone implementation is that it is
> > > > nailed to the Android APIs of the era, and Google likes to replace those
> > > > approximately weekly.  Following their documents, it took me forever to
> > > > get working, but most of the work was on the Android side of things
> > > > (specifically rolling back to whatever supported APIs I needed, almost
> > > > all of which were one or two generations behind).
> > > >
> > >
> > > The other problem, of course, is that the plan 9 user interface
> > > will not work well on phones. No user interface will work well
> > > on phones, but the vanilla Plan 9 interface will be spectacularly
> > > bad.
> > >
> > > So, even if you get the Plan 9 userspace onto the phone, you've
> > > still got a great deal of work to make it usable, and you haven't
> > > successfully gotten rid of the trash under you.
> >
> > The hellaphone came with some reasonably useful tools to work ok on a
> > touchscreen, including an onscreen keyboard that worked better than the
> > bitsy one.  I vaguely recall the HTC device it targeted had a slide-out
> > keyboard as well.
> >
> > khm

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