Is it just me noticing this is chatgpt? Il 10 maggio 2024 06:44:48 CEST, vic.thac...@fastmail.fm ha scritto: >Hi Hiro et al, > >I view Plan 9 4th Edition as a version that remains largely unchanged, serving >as a snapshot in time, while 9legacy represents an active, distinct >distribution. Conversely, 9front is a fork that has evolved significantly from >Plan 9 4th Edition, making considerable advancements in recent years. > >I appreciate the push for modernization with 9front, but I also see value in >maintaining support for older versions like Plan 9 4th Edition and 9legacy. >Living in Japan, I have access to inexpensive hardware—local computer >resellers often offer older computers for as little as 2,000 yen each (e.g. >$12.85 USD). For about 8,000 yen, it is possible to set up a functional Plan >9 system. This isn’t about leading the charge with the latest and greatest >OS; it's about the joy of tinkering and making the most of accessible >resources. For hobbyists like myself, the ability to use and experiment with >older systems is invaluable. Maintaining some level of support or >compatibility in the community can enhance the inclusiveness and experimental >spirit that is fundamental to Plan 9’s ethos. > >Maintaining updates and compatibility between Plan 9 4th Edition, 9legacy, and >9front can provide several benefits, especially in a diverse community like >that of Plan 9. Here are some of the key advantages: > >(1) Broader Hardware Support: By keeping Plan 9 4th Edition and 9legacy >updated, users who rely on older or less common hardware configurations that >may not be fully supported by 9front can still benefit from updates and >improvements. This is particularly useful in academic or hobbyist settings >where newer hardware may not be readily available or economically feasible. > >(2) Incremental Upgrades: Some users may prefer an incremental approach to >system upgrades rather than a complete switch to a newer version. Integrating >changes from 9front into 9legacy and Plan 9 4th Edition allows these users to >benefit from specific enhancements without the need to overhaul their entire >system setup. > >(3) Community Engagement: Keeping these versions updated helps engage >different segments of the Plan 9 community. It acknowledges the needs and >preferences of those who might prefer the familiarity of 9legacy or Plan 9 4th >Edition, fostering a more inclusive and vibrant community. > >(4) Preservation of Educational and Historical Value: Plan 9 has significant >educational and historical importance in the field of operating systems. >Maintaining and updating older versions ensures that this legacy is preserved, >allowing new generations of students and enthusiasts to learn from and >experiment with these systems. > >(5) Security and Stability: Regular updates can address security >vulnerabilities and fix bugs across all versions, ensuring that even older >deployments remain secure and stable. This is crucial for maintaining the >integrity and usability of the systems over time. > >(6) Customization: Some users or organizations might have customized their >systems based on older versions of Plan 9. Keeping these systems updated with >changes from 9front can provide a path for these custom setups to receive new >features and improvements while maintaining their unique configurations. > >Overall, the integration of updates across different versions of Plan 9 can >help keep the system modern, secure, and accessible to a wide range of users, >enhancing both its utility and appeal. > >In embracing both the new and preserving the old, we not only honor the rich >legacy of Plan 9 but also ensure its relevance and accessibility for all >users, regardless of their hardware or specific needs. By updating 9legacy and >Plan 9 4th Edition alongside 9front, we foster a community that values >progress and innovation while respecting and supporting the diverse ways in >which people interact with our beloved operating system. Together, let's >continue to build a welcoming and vibrant Plan 9 community that thrives on >both change and tradition. > >Kind regards, >Vester "Vic" Thacker > > >On Fri, May 10, 2024, at 04:50, hiro wrote: >> no clue which conflict you're seeing, vic. >> >> there's been some trolling back and forth since forever, there's been >> complaints and contributions, and more complaints about the >> contributions and the lack of contributions. as it should be. we can >> have one united community if you like but then i hope we still have >> those complaints. if no issues come up it just means that nobody used >> the system. >> >> personally i think non-dp9ik protocols should be removed completely or >> at the very least only allowed with very big fat warning messages. if >> 9legacy still doesn't have dp9ik, then why don't you just let 9legacy >> die? is there a single 9legacy-only improvement that's worth having in >> the first place? why does this discussion here even exist? if you want >> interoperability between things just upgrade everything to 9front. >> there's no more straightforward way, or? >> >> i know from linuxland where some garbage firmware or closed-source >> kernel driver prevents the use of newer linux releases, but i don't >> see similar problems in the 9front world at all. 9front provides a >> very steady and stable upgrade path i see no reason to keep an older >> plan9 4th edition system alive at all. what hardware does anybody have >> where 9front doesn't work but plan9 4th edition does?! >>
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