Starting from a false premise does not help. 9front is not a development branch of Plan 9. Plan 9 is Plan 9. 9front is 9front. 9front is an open-source fork or derivation of Plan 9.
Trying to make 9front the new and official Plan 9 does seem absurd. I'm not sure why there is a strong need for validation. 9front does not need official recognition. Let 9front be what it is. It can exist independent of the Plan 9 name. Sincerely, Vester On Wed, Aug 18, 2021, at 16:02, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > I changed the Subject line to better reflect the discussion. Please do go on. > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 8:57 PM Lucio De Re <lucio.d...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On 8/17/21, Keith Gibbs <k...@pixelheresy.com> wrote: > > > One Plan Nine? > > > > > > Sure, we have the historical version of the Bell Labs/Lucient codebase, > > > preserved as 9legacy, but yeah we have one currently developed branch of > > > Plan 9 called 9front. Are you proposing that to be called “Plan 9 from > > > Bell > > > Labs 5th edition”? > > > > > I bet you think I don't; you wouldn't ask, otherwise. > > > > > To be serious though, when has monolithic code bases ever benefited things > > > in an Open Source community? > > > > You bought the "exceptionalism" Kool-Aid, lock, stock and barrel, > > haven't you? It's a question of size: a small code base should remain > > small, then it is not weaponisable or monetisable. So we raise the bar > > higher and higher and shake off whatever can't stick hard enough. A > > human natural instinct (more!, gimme more! features! bugs! anything so > > I can have bigger, faster!) bent to the interest of elites (here in > > Africa we know it as the Big Man Syndrome). > > > > > I mean the only reason would be to control who > > > can/cannot make decisions on what goes in the stone soup. > > Do you have incontrovertible evidence? In my caffeine-deprived state, > > I feel you're just following the sheep gospel, no offence intended. In > > my opinion, the trap is always there, ready to be deployed. And the > > masses are always ready to fall into it. Occasionally a Christ figure > > comes along to warn us, but only the elite can understand the message > > and of course they then distort it in the direction that suits them > > best. And the masses are none the wiser, not this time, not the next > > time, not any other time, because the elite can be swapped out > > entirely and the new elite becomes them, ad nauseam. > > > > > There are multiple > > > BSDs. There are multiple Linuxes. Using 9legacy as more than historical > > > baseline means that we will be stuck with decisions put in place 20-30 > > > years > > > ago rather than iterating and moving things forward. The purpose of P9F is > > > to “promote and support” not to regulate. > > > > > Sure, and an infinite variety of vehicles with wheels at the four > > corners and seats that just occupy space and consume carbon-based > > fuels. Even EVs where each wheel could be both motor and power > > generator have retained that ridiculous formula. But they look > > different (sort of, there's greater difference in time than there in > > style). Oh, let's not ignore that autos also sit idle (my estimate) > > 95% of their life: is that what they are designed for? And the AI in > > my phone, is that also sitting idle? I had a couple of instances > > recently where in the middle of the night my password locked Samsung > > J5 decided to continue reading me the SF short story collection I > > turned off before going to sleep. > > > > But Android is Open Source, isn't it? I can look under the bonned, can't I? > > > > Well, the P9F is what it is. It will also become what it is naturally > > attracted to unless some boundaries - Trump's fence? - are put in > > place. > > > > > I would love to imagine a time when we have a resurgence of multiple Plan > > > 9s. I would love to see Akaros and 9atom have a shot in the arm [although > > > much of what the latter had seems to be swallowed up by 9front and 9legacy > > > and the project dead]. I would love to see NIX get a little more traction, > > > as it seems it is just a standalone experiment [albeit a cool one in terms > > > of goals]. I think it would be really healthy for Jeanne and Harvey to be > > > more closer to “family” in the community rather than third cousins. Once > > > we > > > have a plurality of opinions, of perspectives, of visions, then we can > > > better broker standards and overall trajectories. > > > > > I'm going to leave this here, with a comment to the effect that I > > totally disagree with the sentiments. There is room, need is not a > > strong enough word for what I'm thinking, for creativity, but software > > is not a primordial soup out of which complex organisms will rise to > > take over the Universe and consume it out of existence, its and > > theirs. > > > > More likely, we'll teach - by example, not intentionally, no - our AI > > products to weaponise the tools we are no longer sufficiently > > naturally intelligent to understand and control (tell me there's a > > difference) and turn us into slaves because, like the human elite, > > they will measure their worth in what they can accumulate (human > > slaves sounds like a neat currency to me, I could use some, it's > > worked in all of human history - ask Epstein), just like their > > creators did. > > > > Nothing to do with Plan 9, of course, because it really is just a drop > > of accidental sanity in an ocean of greed and competition. But, to > > complete the imagery, I'd rather be plankton in a drop of Plan 9 than > > a shark in the Linux Ocean. And I am, to the extent that I support and > > most of all appreciate what makes my ecosystem continue to tick. > > Including any contributions by like-minded or antagonistically natured > > geniuses. > > > > Lucio. > > > > PS: I have a lot of time to think and unfortunately not the means to > > study beyond a rather narrow subject matter. So my opinions are much > > more the result of introspection than of universal knowledge. Take it > > for what it is. > > > > PPS: There is always an elite, its job is to defeat by all means > > available a middle class whose "elite nouveau" continually attempts to > > replace it, by any means available to it. Everything revolves around > > who owns the masses. 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